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Any chance the National Popular Vote movement makes it to 270? It's where states make it law that they cast electoral votes as a single block depending on the winner of the national popular vote. Currently at 165 electoral votes.

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

It has a chance if we fight for it. Call your state legislators.

02-04-2017 , 09:48 PM

#5752

BMOL33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Melkerson

This problem has already been solved.

Don't need to get rid of the electoral college to make popular vote winner president:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rstate_Compact

Definitely don't need 38 states to pass this.

You're correct but I researched that awhile back and I found information saying states who dont approve it will file a grievance with the Supreme Court saying you have to amend the constitution for such a change and this is a loophole and the matter will get tied up in legislation for years

02-04-2017 , 09:50 PM

#5753

Double Eagle

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02-04-2017 , 09:52 PM

#5754

Kirbynator

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are people REALLY dumb enough to believe the **** they spew when using arguments like "I DONT WANT TO LIVE UNDER SHARIA LAW!"

02-04-2017 , 09:55 PM

#5755

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

are people REALLY dumb enough to believe the **** they spew when using arguments like "I DONT WANT TO LIVE UNDER SHARIA LAW!"

Possibly internet bots? I mean there's no limit to dumb, but that seems like a red flag that it's trolling.

02-04-2017 , 09:59 PM

#5756

fatkid

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Lol

02-04-2017 , 10:00 PM

#5757

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by BMOL33

I assume you mean litigation.

Any change is going to take years anyway, so that's not really a concern.

02-04-2017 , 10:04 PM

#5758

DeroDeniro

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbynator

are people REALLY dumb enough to believe the **** they spew when using arguments like "I DONT WANT TO LIVE UNDER SHARIA LAW!"

Well if you look at US history, they are right to be concerned.

When Chinese immigrants came to the US in the 1800s, they imposed Chinese law.

The Italians in the early 1900s imposed Italian law.

Mexicans have imposed Mexican law. Why do you think Cinco de Mayo is a federal holiday?

02-04-2017 , 10:04 PM

#5759

Kirbynator

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i only know of cinco de cuatro

02-04-2017 , 10:05 PM

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Melkerson

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Obviously. Would be funny if they accidentally got to a high enough number for that popular vote compact to kick in, thus swinging every election to the popular vote winner.

Don't really understand how this is possible.

02-04-2017 , 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

are people REALLY dumb enough to believe the **** they spew when using arguments like "I DONT WANT TO LIVE UNDER SHARIA LAW!"

I mean, maybe not? I know like the Trump voters in my family are legitimately afraid of pretty much everything. My brother will go on for hours about fantasies involving home intruders, he puts a gun in his wife's purse when they go to the movies, etc. None of them are preppers but the doomsday scenarios seem to always been just below the surface and come up in passing regularly. What the right-wing media has done to the rest of us is minimal compared to the constant, all-consuming fear they've inflicted upon their audience.

02-04-2017 , 10:15 PM

#5762

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Originally Posted by BMOL33

Young people are only that way until they get jobs
And realize they're the ones paying for these clowns the libs want to bring into this country who sit on their ass and get payed for by us. Most people who are normal and not hippies or bohemians become more conservative after age 30-35

Incredible how immigrants can simultaneously both sit on their asses and steal jerbs from Real Americans.

02-04-2017 , 10:20 PM

#5763

jmakin

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I have yet to hear one single good argument about why the electoral college is a good system

A fractional percent of voters decided the course of the world For the next few decades, I think the election pretty clearly demonstrated that it's broken

02-04-2017 , 10:25 PM

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Republican Party, the original party of immigrants

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But there's one thing in the Budweiser ad that rings true to history: the anti-German immigrant hostility that Busch is depicted enduring on the streets. "Go back home!" a man tells him angrily.

While we don't know whether Busch himself ever walked through such hostile crowds, Ogle says the 1850s were certainly an era marked by "xenophobic turmoil."

Busch was part of a large wave of German immigrants, including Frederick Miller and Frederick Pabst, who helped build American brewing in the mid-1800s. The still-new nation was in the middle of a great debate over what it meant to be an American. And it was seeing a huge influx of immigrants — not just from Germany, but Ireland, too.

"Both the Irish and Germans came from cultures where alcohol was a respectable habit," says Ogle.

Many native-born Americans were worried about how all those newcomers, and their customs, would affect national identity, Ogle says. That's partly what gave rise to the temperance movement. It wasn't just about condemning alcohol, it was about defining the moral character of America.

"That was a serious culture clash," Ogle says. "And it did fuel a really strong Prohibition movement."

Many Germans who came over set up beer halls in towns with large German enclaves, like St. Louis, Cincinnati and Milwaukee.

"Americans thought of it as disreputable — only low-class people drank," Ogle says. "If you went into a tavern, you were going into the seventh circle of hell."

This was the 1840s and '50s, when America was still debating the great question of slavery, and whether to legalize it outside the South. Ogle says many working-class whites in the North who organized against the expansion of slavery did so, in part, out of fear that they'd be competing for low-skill jobs. These working-class whites were anti-immigrant for the same reasons, she says.

"There were pitched battles in the streets where people were saying, 'You don't belong here. Go home. We don't want any more immigrants, ' " Ogle says.

The Republican Party was born in Wisconsin in this climate, she says, to combat the expansion of slavery into the Western territories, but also as a way for German immigrants to stand up for themselves.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/...igrants-and-be

02-04-2017 , 10:26 PM

#5765

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Incredible how immigrants can simultaneously both sit on their asses and steal jerbs from Real Americans.

Don't forget all the killing, raping, and drug production/running/dealing.

Those are some busy, hard-working, and obviously very lazy folks.

02-04-2017 , 10:32 PM

#5766

Loki

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Don't really understand how this is possible.

If republicans are as bad at math as they are at science, it's a very real possibility.

02-04-2017 , 10:36 PM

#5767

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I then asked Bannon whether or not he had read Sowell's piece, since Bannon was in favor of the very Tea Party tactic that Sowell had criticized.

“National Review and The Weekly Standard,” he said, “are both left-wing magazines, and I want to destroy them also.” He added that “no one reads them or cares what they say.”

He's half very right and half very wrong.

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There are a few Republicans that Bannon does respect. One of them is Rep. Louis Gohmert, the fiery congressman from Texas, who was also at the party. Gohmert, who is part of the self-proclaimed anti-establishment wing of the Republican Party, was an ally of Cruz in the government shutdown.

Gohmert is a legit idiot, not because he's a conservative, but because he is legitimately stupid.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-leninist.html

02-04-2017 , 10:37 PM

#5768

lastdayever

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbynator

are people REALLY dumb enough to believe the **** they spew when using arguments like "I DONT WANT TO LIVE UNDER THE NEXT HITLER!!!11"

fixed, welcome

02-04-2017 , 10:37 PM

#5769

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

If republicans are as bad at math as they are at science, it's a very real possibility.

Can you provide an example of what you're talking about? I still don't get it.

02-04-2017 , 10:42 PM

#5770

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by jmakin

Well there are great arguments against the electoral college, but yours is not one of them.

There is nothing normatively wrong with a fractional percent of voters deciding an election for pres.

A fractional percentage of voters deciding the course of the election could easily happen if we went by popular vote and it was a close race. And that would be fine. The main problem is that we get outcomes where more voters prefer the losing candidate to the winning candidate.

02-04-2017 , 10:44 PM

#5771

jmakin

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Pretty sure that's not how math works

02-04-2017 , 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

are people REALLY dumb enough to believe the **** they spew when using arguments like "I DONT WANT TO LIVE UNDER SHARIA LAW!"

Looks like we found a live one in last day.

02-04-2017 , 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jman220

I don't know how to embed tweets, but Trumps latest tweet is loltastic:

So now he is taking to twitter to badmouth his own DOJ attorneys who are defending his stupid ban?

He literally has no clue how anything works.

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