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05-14-2017 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lew, you are undoubtedly not on the same team as 95% of the posters in this forum. You do not have the same goals nor values.
Thanks for admitting your ignorance at least.
I don't care what you think, aoFrantic. But I'm on your team, big guy.
05-14-2017 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
What part of I would never vote for a republican is confusing to you guys lmao? I gotta stop responding to these before I get a banido so this is the last post correcting this, if you need a punching bags for republicans then have it but you probably make more hay on chiefs planet they practically extinct on this board. I have probably donated more to the ACLU this year then you ever have but go ahead and have your two minutes of hate if that's what makes you feel better.
I didnt say anything about who you voted for. or who you claim to have voted for. I said that you support republicans. and you clearly do as you show up here firing off bs and debunked right wing talking points and criticisms of the left.

ya kno, something about walks like, talks like, and acts like.
05-14-2017 , 09:37 PM
For jman:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...b69_story.html

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For me, the past week has been deja vu all over again. To restore faith in the rule of law, three obvious things must happen: First, we need a truly bipartisan investigation in Congress. That means no partisan nonsense — just a commitment to finding the facts, whatever they may be, proving (or disproving) Russian interference in our election and anything related. Congress is a check and a balance, and never more important than when a bullying chief executive used to his own way seems not to remember the co-equal status of the other two branches.

Second, the new FBI director must be apolitical and sensitive to the law-enforcement mission, not someone with a long record of reflexive partisanship or commentary on the very investigative issues that will come before the bureau. Unfortunately, some of the candidates paraded by cameras this past weekend reality-show style fall into that category. I can’t think of anything worse for FBI morale, for truth-finding or for public trust. More than ever the FBI needs a strong and stabilizing hand, which means somebody who has not spent most of his or her career pandering for votes, groveling for cash or putting party over principle.
05-14-2017 , 09:38 PM
Yes, the story hasn't been confirmed at all yet. This is just for indictment funsies. I don't think I could even name 70 people around Trump who are compromised, but I guess anything is possible with this "big dreamer" as POTUS.

https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/...25098016894980

Trump
Pence
Sessions
Flynn
Manafort
Page
Stone
Nunes
Ryan
McConnell
Chaffetz
Ivanka
Don Jr.
Eric
Kushner
Priebus
Bannon
Spicey
Tillerson
Ross
Giuliani

...70 is tough.

Last edited by Our House; 05-14-2017 at 09:49 PM. Reason: Added names.
05-14-2017 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Yes, the story hasn't been confirmed at all yet. This is just for indictment funsies. I don't think I could even name 70 people around Trump who are compromised, but I guess anything is possible with this "big dreamer" as POTUS.

https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/...25098016894980

Trump
Sessions
Flynn
Manafort
Page
Stone
Nunes
Ryan
McConnell
Chaffetz

...70 is tough.
Ghouliani, Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, certainly some more GOP, devos's brother gotta be on there, I'm forgetting a bunch since that feels like forever ago. Trump's lawyer gotta be on there. I'm sure we could come up with a decent number. Pence obv.

Of course this is all if you believe him since he's been on the louise mensch train of ridic. 70 indictments would be the most ridic thing ever of lols, till they all get pardoned

Last edited by wheatrich; 05-14-2017 at 09:59 PM.
05-14-2017 , 09:46 PM
You gotta love the brain disease of job creator worship that made lew think "but what about the CORPORATE tax rate" would be a response to an accusation that the GOP wants to slash taxes on the rich.

Especially since we went on to learn that lew doesn't know what the corporate tax rate is, but just incredible. Who does lew think the rich are, if "large and small business owners" aren't rich?
05-14-2017 , 09:47 PM
Yeah, I edited in Ivanka and a few other names. Oh, Pence. Edit: fixed list.
05-14-2017 , 09:50 PM


This is Donald Trump's personal lawyer, who seems have one interest in common with DJT. Read the first handful of responses.
05-14-2017 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
I don't care what you think, aoFrantic. But I'm on your team, big guy.
I'm a Canadian who has been over 18 for 3 federal elections and voted for NDP, Conservative and Liberal parties in the three different elections. How the **** are you on my team? You literally never know anything. My team is anti ignorance.

Also, Claude and Louise are basically the Cernovich of the left. This indictment **** is no different from pizzagate. Stop it.
05-14-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
It's not even that I think the free market could replace these services, but I'm pretty sure state governments could, and then I could feel better about not subsidizing dead browns by the mass grave. Keep social security keep Medicare and make it for all, and send the rest to the state level. I have watched our federal government wage a war on overseas browns all of this century basically and it makes me want to puke when anyone defends putting more money into this
What I don't get is why you characterise what you want as "lower taxes" as opposed to a policy change where money doesn't get spent on killing browns. If federal taxes were lower, the GOP would deficit-spend to finance wars anyway. I know this because that's what GWB actually did for 8 years.

The problem here is the distinction between "freedom", "states' rights", "lower taxes" etc, all of which are fine as abstract ideas, and all those things as actually used in American politics, where they are all code-words for regressive policy ideas. The solution is to support specific policy ideas rather than empty catchphrases. "Lower taxes" is completely meaningless unless one specifies what the government is going to stop paying for. Support things like a smaller, less aggressive military instead. Unfortunately, there are no major parties which support that. But supporting "lower taxes" instead is not going to get you there.
05-14-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
You gotta love the brain disease of job creator worship that made lew think "but what about the CORPORATE tax rate" would be a response to an accusation that the GOP wants to slash taxes on the rich.

Especially since we went on to learn that lew doesn't know what the corporate tax rate is, but just incredible. Who does lew think the rich are, if "large and small business owners" aren't rich?
I was directly responding to a post that suggested that only the .1 or .01 percent of the richest people would benefit from any Trump tax cuts. That is clearly and demonstrably false and I gave the example of the corporate tax rate. Not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or if you are just actually obtuse.
05-14-2017 , 10:00 PM
lol that cohen pick is utterly amazing. not a single person has made a supporting comment.
05-14-2017 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I'm a Canadian...
Stopped reading. Go whine about your own politicians.
05-14-2017 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


This is Donald Trump's personal lawyer, who seems have one interest in common with DJT. Read the first handful of responses.
OMG what?

05-14-2017 , 10:17 PM
So Lew is not on my team anymore. That didn't last long.
05-14-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
OMG what?

Yep. Trump-Ailes-O'Reilly-Cohen.
05-14-2017 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
A shame he's not proud of her for only being an "Ivy League daughter".
05-14-2017 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
And as we can see with gun-rights - Democrats could completely capitulate on abortion, make it totally illegal, yet fear of abortion's return would still be a massive issue for (R) voters.

There is no point giving them an inch on anything. Conservative media will just make up a strawman in place of actual opposition.
The only way for the modern US government to work is through compromise. The conservative movement is 1000% against compromise on pretty much everything. So I agree that giving them an inch is the worst possible decision.

One of Obama's biggest flaws was trying to bring the parties together and be inclusive. In hindsight these were some of his worst decisions. So it's not like we are speculating we know exactly what they will do at every turn.

Since the republicans will not compromise or negotiate in good faith on anything, they must be aggressively opposed at every opportunity. The republicans are going to have to earn back good faith by their actions over a long period of time.
05-14-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I hate it when they cut my heroin with meth.
All kidding aside they are cutting heroin with the most extremely potent pain relievers out there. I forget the name of the latest one but a tiny amount has effects magnitudes greater than heroin or oxy. It is marketing.

Not to be a Wire cliche but it really is a boon for drug dealers when people overdose on their product. It puts it in high demand.
05-14-2017 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I would happily pay the same amount in state taxes. Federal government is inefficient and basically evil, No matters who's in charge imo
Not really entirely true but certainly in many cases. We absolutely should fund single payer healthcare through taxes and the federal government and it should be our single biggest expenditure by far.

Certainly several things the federal government should not be doing but state governments also have similar problems. The reality is people grousing about taxation these days rings hollow as we have fairly moderate tax burdens compared to the history of the country.

We certainly need to cut spending in many areas and increase it significantly in others. Tax simplification is certainly an excellent goal but tax cuts pfft. That should be in the top 25 things people should be worried about.
05-14-2017 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
All kidding aside they are cutting heroin with the most extremely potent pain relievers out there. I forget the name of the latest one but a tiny amount has effects magnitudes greater than heroin or oxy. It is marketing.

Not to be a Wire cliche but it really is a boon for drug dealers when people overdose on their product. It puts it in high demand.
You tell Roberto it's got to be a serious smoker you hear me I want those MFN fiends dropping in the streets like flies
05-14-2017 , 11:25 PM


How have I not been following this?
05-14-2017 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
All kidding aside they are cutting heroin with the most extremely potent pain relievers out there. I forget the name of the latest one but a tiny amount has effects magnitudes greater than heroin or oxy. It is marketing.

Not to be a Wire cliche but it really is a boon for drug dealers when people overdose on their product. It puts it in high demand.
Fentanyl.
05-14-2017 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
Loudly critique and then vote for anyway wtf does that even accomplish? You lot are like the beaten spouse who always goes back to the abuser. When you make everything super binary like "gotta vote hildawg or you're a nazi fascist etc etc" these are the type of positions people try to tamp down with a straight face
It's called being an adult and making adult decisions.

You don't always get a great option when you have to make a choice. In this particular case, though, Trump was demonstrably the worst choice and anyone who voted Trump, third party or not at all failed bigly to put on their big boy pants and make a real decision.

Thinking trump and Clinton were just the same before the election was very dumb. Still believing it now is reaching superstar levels of stupidity.
05-14-2017 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Jesus, again with this? I didn't vote for Trump.
Lol you voted for Johnson because you were not in a swing state. You doubled down on being as awful as possible when voting.

      
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