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11-04-2008 , 10:56 AM

#426

Borodog

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Oh, and no, I don't agree with him, icyww.

11-04-2008 , 11:02 AM

#427

DVaut1

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Quote:

My wife and I adopted three children from Third World countries, and all of them left behind lives of poverty and certain disease and early death. Yet, as I watch the United States implode forever into a virulent, hard-left state, I cannot help but wonder if we did the right thing. I don't know, but I do know that the freedom and liberty that I have cherished will be gone forever.

We are like the Cambodians who hopefully greeted the conquering Khmer Rouge with flowers and cheers. The same day those soldiers came into the capital city, they began their campaign or murder, terror, and forcing people into the countryside, where a quarter of the population died.

11-04-2008 , 11:02 AM

#428

Schwags

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I have a stupid question.. very simple actually. When will know for sure who is president? takes atleast a week or so amirite?

11-04-2008 , 11:03 AM

#429

Borodog

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This election we'll almost certainly know that it is Obama very quickly, because it's going to be a frigging landslide.

11-04-2008 , 11:05 AM

#430

Borodog

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

Perhaps he's just a touch pessimistic.

11-04-2008 , 11:05 AM

#431

DVaut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Borodog

Perhaps he's just a touch pessimistic.

I didn't intend to post a period. I just kept ****ing up the image I was trying to post. It's there now; a vision of the future ldo

11-04-2008 , 11:06 AM

#432

Borodog

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Food riots imo.

11-04-2008 , 11:07 AM

#433

Borodog

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Seriously though, I think P(Jimmy Carter) > P(Roosevelt) >> P(Pol Pot).

11-04-2008 , 11:12 AM

#434

adanthar

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I'm done with the food riots line 'cause we've found a replacement. "Traveling without permission" FTW.

11-04-2008 , 11:13 AM

#435

Borodog

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Oh you can already be arrested for that.

11-04-2008 , 11:13 AM

#436

Borodog

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My coffee cup just esploded. Bad omen.

11-04-2008 , 11:33 AM

#437

The 13th 4postle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Borodog

My coffee cup just esploded. Bad omen.

The worst

11-04-2008 , 11:39 AM

#438

Borodog

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Still more predictionizing:

Quote:

The burial of the Conservative Movement
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken at November 3, 2008 10:56 PM

The Bush presidency killed the conservative movement. It went on life support in 2001, and finally dropped dead for good in 2003 after the war in Iraq began. Conservatives, who claimed Bush as their own, either actively cheered or were too spineless to oppose the greatest expansion of government power since FDR.

In the process, they have authored their own demise, for the public now sees conservatism as the party of endless war, massive government, and crony capitalism.

This week, conservatism will finally be unceremoniously buried under an avalanche of electoral victories for Democrats. Even if McCain manages to pull this one out, the list of victories for Dems at the Congressional and Gubernatorial levels will be so long, that there will be no quick recovery for the right-wing.

But, even if McCain sailed to victory and all the GOP incumbents retained their seats, the GOP would simply strengthen its unqualified support of bailouts, war, massive spending, and the police state.

The movement is over. It was born out of a post-war ideological crusade to militarize the country in the name of anti-communism while at the same time deluding itself into thinking that it could defend liberty as well. The movement finally had to admit that this ideological program is incoherent at best. Thus, conservatism is no more. It only managed to survive all those years because it convinced voters that it was the ideology of fiscal responsibility and small government.

That proposition is obviously nonsense now, and the party is over. The myth (which was always a myth) has finally broken down under its internal contradictions. Logically speaking, it is impossible to be both for small government at home and for empire abroad simultaneously. Eventually the conservatives had to choose one or the other, and they chose empire over liberty.

Sure, there will still be a right-wing political movement. There is a Republican Party that commands the support of certain interest groups such as evangelical Christians, nationalists, and non-hispanic white males. But there is no ideological movement behind the Party because conservatism has been exposed as the farce it has always been.

No libertarian should mourn the death of conservatism. Conservatism was never anything more than a parasite ideology. It has always been a hideous carbuncle on the flanks of Classical Liberalism, the ideology of liberty. Conservatism latched onto the popularity of libertarian ideals of small and controlled government, and proceeded to pile on an endless array of contradictory big-government theories of militarism, nationalism,and protectionism while endlessly peddling nostaligia for the good ol' days.

So long conservatism. It's been a long, lousy fifty years, but now you're gone forever, and we'll just have to wait and see if you're replaced with something far worse, or if a true party of liberty takes your place. Your ersatz version won't be missed.

Emphasis added to my favorite part. "Hideous carbuncle" Hahahaha.

I buy this one much more than the last one, but we should be so lucky.

11-04-2008 , 11:53 AM

#439

Borodog

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Everyone knows he's going to win. Should be largely priced in already. There might be some effect due to the terminally hopeful finally coming to grips with reality, but I don't know how large it will be. Plus, it's not like Obama will be any worse than McCain would be. There might even be a "at least we finally know" bounce.

11-04-2008 , 11:57 AM

#440

bdk3clash

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So to clarify, it looks like Nate's final pre-election day prediction was 52.0% to 46.1%, and his average EV prediction was 346.5.

Does anyone to take Obama over 52.0% (versus me taking Obama under 52.0%) for $25?

11-04-2008 , 12:01 PM

#441

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChainWave

I'm setting the O/U on how much the DJI will drop tomorrow after Obama wins at 1500 points.

The automatic shutdown will be triggered at 1100 and I think once it starts back up it won't drop too much further, but I think 1500 is a good number to shoot for.

/ridiculous(?) prediction

I'm a total bear and that's ridiculous.

11-04-2008 , 02:52 PM

#442

adanthar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChainWave

What odds would you give me on the markets settling higher?

11-04-2008 , 02:57 PM

#443

ElliotR

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I'd like to start a pool regarding which one of the recently-banned posters has now come back as ChainWave.

11-04-2008 , 03:47 PM

#444

MrWookie

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Gonna be a small pool, imo. All the evidence people might use to guess has, uhh, mysteriously vanished.

11-04-2008 , 04:27 PM

#445

Borodog

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Gas will drop under $2/gallon again.

11-04-2008 , 04:30 PM

#446

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Borodog

Gas will drop under $2/gallon again.

I paid $1.949 on saturday.

11-04-2008 , 04:41 PM

#447

Borodog

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I mean for ME bub.

11-04-2008 , 05:25 PM

#448

The 13th 4postle

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I can't believe I filled up around $3.00 I still have half a tank left ugh!!!

11-04-2008 , 07:11 PM

#449

gobbomom

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pvn has been paid. no one please ever make a bet with me again- I always lose.

11-04-2008 , 07:24 PM

#450

pvn

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Originally Posted by gobbomom

pvn has been paid. no one please ever make a bet with me again- I always lose.

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