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08-09-2018 , 11:09 AM

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Clown gonna clown

Though an interesting point was made down thread, it remains to be seen if it has merit

08-09-2018 , 11:22 AM

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‘They made a mistake when they confirmed me'

No S***.

08-09-2018 , 12:52 PM

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After working the bad guy angle so strong he’s now making an epic face turn. A+ story line.

08-09-2018 , 01:13 PM

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08-09-2018 , 01:27 PM

#280

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Speaking generally, a defendant who can only get a sweet plea deal if he comes up with a lie that probably cant be disproved, is not likely to be dissuaded by the punishment if it is exposed. Not implying that it is the case here. Just pointing out that mentioning the repercussions to lying should not be a persuasive argument.

I've never studied how or whether or not such arguments are persuasive, but lawyers use them all the time ("are you aware of the penalties for PERJURY in this state, sir?")

I would think they're not persuasive to lawyer-types (just my opinion) but remember they're not trying to persuade lawyers but rather jurors.

08-09-2018 , 01:30 PM

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we got Jack Benny over here

08-09-2018 , 01:51 PM

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THE COURT: State your name for the court, and please speak up.

THE WITNESS: I'm Rick GATES, b****.

08-10-2018 , 02:28 PM

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There was apparently just a long recess, and no reason was given in open court. They just got back under way.

08-10-2018 , 02:30 PM

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It was 3.5 hours long, and MSNBC says it involved the jury. The sergeant at arms went into the jury room, and apparently members of the jury met with the judge in chambers, and the judge met with both sides.

08-10-2018 , 02:47 PM

#285

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Is it possible that the judge is acting the way he is not because he supports Trump but rather because he feels personally insulted because he feel like he is being "used" to judge what he considers a sort of pseudo trial that he thinks is not really being conducted to punish or deter tax evaders?

I think this is pretty likely. It's a rule that they're supposed to use people like Wesley Snipes, The Situation, and Richard Hatch to deter tax evaders, not legit rich guys.

08-10-2018 , 03:20 PM

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Something struck me when I rewatched over the weekend, tell me if you agree: It seems like "The Rainmaker" lifted a huge chunk of its court plotline (the parts where the lawyers dealt with the first judge especially) straight from "The Verdict."

And yeah, it's a little flawed and it certainly hasn't aged that well, but it's still a fantastic flick. It was released in 1982 but is fully a 1970s flick in both look and feel.

I watched The Rainmaker last night. The plots were similar and the scene in the judge's chamber when they negotiate are roughly the same scene. (I also rewatched this scene in The Verdict.) A minor but funny common detail- the judge sets the date for trial as Thursday the next week in both scenes. I assume Grisham would have read or watched The Verdict.

Unrelated and I don't know if it's true, but I saw a claim that Frank Sinatra offered to play Frank Galvin for free.

08-10-2018 , 09:19 PM

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http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...manafort-trial

Ellis had interjected Thursday during the questioning of a bank employee by prosecutor Uzo Asonye. The employee was discussing how Manafort attempted but failed to get a $5.5 million construction loan, according to Politico.

“You might want to spend time on a loan that was granted,” the judge said.

“Your honor, this is a charged count in the indictment,” Asonye responded.

“I know that,” Ellis said.

That exchange was addressed Friday in a court filing by prosecutors.

“The Court’s statement that the government ‘might want to spend time on a loan that was granted’ misrepresents the law regarding bank fraud conspiracy, improperly conveys the Court’s opinion of the facts, and is likely to confuse and mislead the jury,” prosecutors wrote.

The filing marked the second time that federal prosecutors have requested Ellis issue a corrective statement during the trial.

08-10-2018 , 10:02 PM

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Just trying to make sure the defense has no grounds to appeal obv.

08-10-2018 , 10:10 PM

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http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...manafort-trial

Ellis had interjected Thursday during the questioning of a bank employee by prosecutor Uzo Asonye. The employee was discussing how Manafort attempted but failed to get a $5.5 million construction loan, according to Politico.

“You might want to spend time on a loan that was granted,” the judge said.

“Your honor, this is a charged count in the indictment,” Asonye responded.

“I know that,” Ellis said.

That exchange was addressed Friday in a court filing by prosecutors.

“The Court’s statement that the government ‘might want to spend time on a loan that was granted’ misrepresents the law regarding bank fraud conspiracy, improperly conveys the Court’s opinion of the facts, and is likely to confuse and mislead the jury,” prosecutors wrote.

The filing marked the second time that federal prosecutors have requested Ellis issue a corrective statement during the trial.

We woefully underestimated the extent to which nothing matters anymore.

08-10-2018 , 10:11 PM

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Any lawyers want to weigh in? It feels like with the judge's conduct, Manafort is a big favorite to get a hung jury... and there will be TREMENDOUS political pressure not to retry him.

08-10-2018 , 10:17 PM

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Any lawyers want to weigh in? It feels like with the judge's conduct, Manafort is a big favorite to get a hung jury... and there will be TREMENDOUS political pressure not to retry him.

It’s certainly not ideal. I disagree on the retrial aspect though. He’s got another trial coming up in front of a better judge in the fall. That’ll happen first anyway and if he goes down on that this wno’t much matter.

08-10-2018 , 10:19 PM

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odds russia is paying/threatening this judge just went up like 10% today

08-10-2018 , 10:21 PM

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odds russia is paying/threatening this judge just went up like 10% today

And/or a juror. And not just Russia.

08-10-2018 , 10:23 PM

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But if he walks on this, the political pressure will crank up to not even try the second one. You know Trump's going to have some garbage tweets about harassing an innocent man and the death of double jeopardy that show his complete lack of understanding about double jeopardy, but could be used as his BS justification to fire Mueller.

... and if he's going to fire him, will there be a better time from a PR standpoint than after Manafort walks on the first case then gets charged in the second?

08-11-2018 , 09:33 AM

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odds russia is paying/threatening this judge just went up like 10% today

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And/or a juror. And not just Russia.

Maybe that's what they were discussing with the juror during the 3 hour break yesterday.

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08-11-2018 , 10:48 AM

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Yeah. It’s not ideal.

08-14-2018 , 12:16 PM

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Defense rests after calling 0 witnesses. Bold men in bold times.

08-14-2018 , 12:20 PM

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Defense rests after calling 0 witnesses. Bold men in bold times.

Lawyers, is this good (Manny behind bars imminently) or bad (Manny walks, I post the Clay Davis acquittal "Wtf just happened" clip)?

08-14-2018 , 12:22 PM

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Defense rests after calling 0 witnesses. Bold men in bold times.

I’m a huge fan of straight resting for the jury. The defense is so confident! I don’t wanna look like an idiot and find him guilty if they don’t even feel the need to put on a defense!

08-14-2018 , 12:23 PM

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Lawyers, is this good (Manny behind bars imminently) or bad (Manny walks, I post the Clay Davis acquittal "Wtf just happened" clip)?

Mariotti seems to think it's better for the defense, as calling one or two witnesses in the face of all the evidence against him would look kind of weak. But who knows?

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