I re-read the bottom of the thread all in context and couldn't see anywhere that indicated you were specifically talking about afghanistan.. maybe you could benefit from being clearer, instead of telling people to "catch up" with the thoughts inside your head?

you're the one who said afghanistan? lol?

Stop using alan's own words, you're confusing him.

Looks pretty clear in context that we're talking about Iraq. Very few people objected to the war in Afghanistan to begin with.

You'll be pleased to know that you agree with Democratic Senator Feingold: "Feingold to Obama: Announce Withdrawal Timetable from Afghanistan"

No surprise to see the left able to have a debate over the issues. Where were the right wingers on Bush's Iraq quagmire?

Alan re-read teh full conversation

you started this whole thing off with:

wow, people simulataneously attacking obama for being in iraq/afghanistan while defending bush's actions ITT





we were most def talking about both wars

lol where were the left wingers on bush's iraq quagmire AMIRITE

So when you say "there" you meant "the middle east". And you objected to the war in Afghanistan in the first place. Give you kudos for the anti-war points, and I gotta take a little away for using "there" to refer to two seperate wars, in countries seperated by over a thousand miles, that started years apart.

All very confusing.

Yes, sorry, I was against both wars in the first place. this imo, has nothing to do with teh poor people of the middle east, we should have done all of this covertly, and done strategic strikes against these terrorist. and by strategic I mean:

use high level nsa/cia information and send over small teams of executioners, made sure we had the right guys, and off'ed them, making it look like accidents. This whole pick and choose BS only worsens the situation, why go after iraq/afghanistan, when we leave iran and syria alone etc.

Yeah, that's a good idea. Israel after the 1972 olympics is the model.

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/u...res-next-week/

this was a terrible show, but these 3 guys tracked a terrorist down quickly, and could have easily poisoned him etc, and no one would have ever have known.

I'd hate to be nitty, but it was only a year and a half between the two. The way it was related in many people's minds they were almost the same war.

Of course not too many people were against Afganistan. We just got attacked, and we wanted blood. I agree with the covert extraction/execution squad line way more than what we did. I'm not too keen on attacking a country that harbors people, or most of our war/foreign policies in general. Mostly because we are living by double standards (big surprise!). As mentioned before, if we were consistent there'd be many countries we'd have to fight....spreading our forces even thinner than they are, and officially bankrupting us. (Let's play find the US)

I do love the fast withdrawal of troops. A good friend of mine just deployed to Iraq for a year, which will probably end up being 16-18 months. Hopefully they aren't that unlucky. Afghanistan withdrawal won't happen in this term, and I'd be surprised if everyone was out of Iraq during big O's first term.

here:

Vote to authorize use of force in Iraq(from wiki):
126 (61%) of 208 Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution.
6 of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution: Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY), Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX).
The only Independent Representative voted against the resolution: Rep. Sanders (I-VT)
Reps. Ortiz (D-TX), Roukema (R-NJ), and Stump (R-AZ) did not vote on the resolution.


21 (42%) of 50 Democratic Senators voted against the resolution: Sens. Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), Wyden (D-OR).
1 of 49 Republican Senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI).
The only Independent Senator voted against the resoution: Sen. Jeffords (I-VT)

and here:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack...;s_Iraq_Speech

1. Obama has done what he clearly said he would during the campaign (Focus more on Afghan, including possibly more troops and draw back the troop force in Iraq). No shocker here.

2. No idea where this fake ZOMG WHY ARENT LIBERALS PISSED AT OBAMA crap comes from when the vast majority of Liberals are pissed off at him for it. Perhaps if some of you spent 2 seconds to look at MyDD, DailyKos or OpenLeft you would see that.

It's almost as if he said one thing during the election to get votes, and then ignored those things after he was elected. The anti-war left got played just like the "christian right" got played in Bush's second term.

This is debatable. I am still waiting for that greater commitment he was going to achieve from our allies. This because Bush's foreign policy supposedly was too heavy handed and offended our allies. How's that Obama velvet touch working out?

I don't disagree with you at all. His policy on Iraq and several other things related has been much more reasonable than I might have expected given how nutty the left has become.

Most people would describe me as a liberal and I think Obama has been terribad so far.

Except this didn't happen at all with handling of either war.

You're right, he was dead on with the Afgan war. I must have missed the memo that we're getting out of Iraq, instead of having the same number of troops as we've had there all along.

I think the Christian right got exactly what they thought they were gonna get in Bush's second term.

lol

I dunno. You wouldn't BELIEVE how many people I talked to were 1 issue (abortion) voters. As if there was any difference between the two.

I've completely lost the patience to talk politics with ******s. I used to love it, trying to reason with people and making them come around to libertarian ideas. Now I just have the whole conversation in my head beforehand and decide it isn't worth it.

Unless I'm drunk. Which luckily for the cause is about half the time.

It's B. I also think him being black amplifies the rage.

you will be missed .. shoot us a PM once in a while.