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Why would yo possibly assume the social makeup of illegal immigrants are the same as citizens?

They are effected by things like the economy and poor health in way different ways - if they cant work they go home, pretty much every study ever done on illegal migration shows this. They reckon in 2008 alone 1 million illegal immigrants left the US.

I never said/wrote it was the same.

I know that you have a great deal of problems with the meaning of common English words. Perhaps if you had someone edit your posts it would help.

hmmm...

Bernie, hmmm, you are having problems with the word "same" also.

lol.

Also though 8.9 million isn't 11 million it's sure a big hit to our labor force. JW would rather argue around that point tho I'm sure.

You're really splitting hairs, aren't ya?


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I am not sure it is 8.9 million. But let say it is.
I have no idea how you could be sure that I would "rather argue around that point."

Losing 8.9 million workers would have to be a brutal hit to many employers in many industries in many areas of this country. Gaining 8.9 million job openings would have to be a great improvement in opportunities for many US citizens working in many industries in many areas of this country.

One thing to consider is that many of these employers who would lose employees if the laws were enforced as well as the illegal aliens are law breakers by definition.

Our legal immigration rate should be modified frequently to best suit the needs of our employers and workers and it should be enforced.

No, I am not. You need to look up the definition of the word "same".

Not knowing the definition of common English words is a serious handicap when you try to communicate in English.It makes you look foolish. It will cause serious misunderstandings.

Well it was 8.9 in 2008. Hint: I posted it a few minutes ago and linked the source.

The rest is dey tuk er jerbs talk imo.

You brought up the work force. You think it should only be look at one way? From the employers' point of view? Or from a cartoon point of view?


I think the US workers should be considered also.

Maybe if you were less of a prick, stopped, reread what you posted and thought about it some more you would realise that is exactly what you indicated:

To help guide you i put the clue in bold.

Here is a hint, yes, illegal immigrants are different in social and economic makeup to the average American citizen.

Lolol. Thinking is not your strong suite is it.

Say goodbye to most of your farming industry when 8.9 million job vacancies go unfilled because they only pay $5-10/hour for backbreaking work in the sun.

The best way to modify legal immigration is to legalise the current immigrants who are illegal but committing no crimes. They are already doing the job, they have already proven they are not drug dealing rapists and they are already in the country. What do you possibly achieve by removing 11 million illegals only to ship in another 9 million illegals other than a HUGE tax bill to fund the changeover.

There is a point when you need to wake up to the realities of the world and look past "they broke the law". Just how severe a law is this? How many people are killed every year from illegal immigration? How many are killed from speeding on the road. Oh, but somehow Arizona is cracking down on immigrants but finding speed cameras wrong. Jesus, do you not even see how backwards that is?

I am not being nice about it. That would not help you. You need help with common English words. So does bernie. You don't want to hear that. I understand. It would be easier for me not to bring it up. But it is true, you do not understand common English words.

It will lead to misunderstandings, serious one. I do not know you. I wish you no harm. Get help.

Bahahaha, obvious troll is obvious.

Keep ignoring the points that you are unwilling to debate.

I tried.

If the jobs being done by illegal immigrants are so lucrative for citizens to do, and if it's so beneficial to our economy if citizens do them, why aren't citizens doing them now?

Certainly there is no single reason. Lower cost when you do not pay social security, lower cost when you do not pay workmen's comp., lower cost when you do not pay unemployment insurance, lower cost when you do not pay time and one half after 40 hours, lower cost when you pay less per hour are a few of the reasons why employers hire illegal aliens instead of citizens.

Of course there are more, such as your competition hired illegal aliens , lowered his cost and you can no longer compete with him and pay citizens decent wage.

The damage done to the Ameican workers, their children and other family members is clear. If this is harmful or beneficial to the general economy is an other matter.

But wookuie, you knew this, including the harm done to the workers.

Because the huge swarm of unskilled labor depresses the wages for those jobs to the point where Americans are unwilling to do them.

At the same time, Americans subsequently get great prices on strawberries, lettuce, hotel stays, lawn mowing, and drywall installation. This benefits more Americans than just those who'd consider strawberry picking jobs if only they paid a little more.

Probably yes. I was just answering your question.

It also hurts others beside would-be strawberry pickers, for example Americans who are would-be hotel workers, lawn mowers and drywall installers.

Chuck Grassley is such a tool...This is really just an administrative remedy by DHS to help combat crowded dockets in immigration courts. The alien(s) still have to eligible for relief and statutorily eligible to adjust. This means that many would still have to have their waivers for inadmissibility processed before they ever have their proceedings dropped. All this memo does is call for procedures to be established that would speed adjudication of aliens who have petitions for immigrant visas pending while in proceedings. Historically Immigration Courts have allowed aliens in proceedings to have their petitions adjudicated before acting.

Memo link

Also no killing me for using the term alien, it's just how non-citizens are referred to in the Immigration and Nationality Act and by the federal agencies which enforce the Act.

John- You appear to be posting on Facebook at 2:30 in the afternoon on a weekday. That's a weird thing to do if you have a job that requires menial labor.