Believing that any nation has the right to control its borders != opposing immigration.

Going from any nation to suggesting racism is far beyond silly. Greatly belong illogical.
Ten miles past loony tunes.

John, I'm closer to you than I am to some of these guys on immigration. Some people deny their opposition to immigration stems from racism because it's true.

So you think all the anti-immigration people would equally oppose a white working-class Englishman or Canadian, and a working-class Mexcian or Muslim? Get real...

There is nothing factually or logically wrong with the statement "What is going on here is less extreme but it is identical".

However if it makes you feel better to assume it is just so you can ignore the way i challenged to prove it wasnt racism then bully for you i guess. Here, have a scooby snack.

Get Real! If you come here illegal you should be arrested. Then sent back.


THE US like Mexico, GB, Ireland, Canada, China, Nigeria etc.has the right to control its borders. Now I do not know how an honest rational person can turn that into a racist statement.

Of course, race baiters will do just that. But they are not honest nor rational.

So?

What are the positive benefits of deporting people who have broke no other law than overstayed a work visa?

Have you heard the expression "cut off your nose to spite your face"?

You were mischaracterizing my position.

Sorry.

What would you suggest? Jail? Just leave them decide if they want to obey the law?

PS: identical, equal, the same != less

to deny that some people's view towards the immigration issue (including controlling the borders) are racially motivated is equally silly, illogical and loony tunes.

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Some people opposes Social Security present structure because they don't care about the old and want only improvement in their own life. NOT ALL, some.

Some people opposes the Republicans because they are still pissed about Lincoln. SOME, NOT ALL.

Some people thinks drug laws should be greatly changed in the US because their son is an addict/pusher. SOME, not all


So?

Bernie: Your inference!= my implication.

So you do admit that some people's agenda, as far as tightening borders, illegal immigration and changing the constitution(14th amendement) is racially motivated?

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I would assume that you are planning on immigrating per the US laws though, right? The concern most people have, or at least in some cases claim to have, is with illegal immigration. I dont have statistics on hand but I would guess that the majority of illegal immigrants are non-white/european. Just pointing this out, I dont really have a dog in this fight as Im pretty much at odds with a lot of conservatives on this issue. I just cant get that riled up about a guy making his way into this country to try and make a better life for himself.

What do you suggest other than fining them and allowing them to apply to be legal migrants?

Pay close attention to cost implications, both direct and indirect of stripping 11 million workers out of the US economy.

Motives? Anything could be a motive! Is that all you got? Any motive is possible?

There are those who come here for the purpose of giving their child dual citizenship. They arrive legally, stay a while , have the child and leave. The child spends very little if any time in the US after his return to his mother's native land. But he/she does have US citizenship. Mostly the family is wealthy, educated, European or Asian.

These families are playing the system. I am not at all sure that the 14th amendment should be changed to stop this. But I do think it should be consider. So racism is my motive, here too? Is that all you got?

Enforcing the law. Where did you get the 11,000,000 workers?


Workers!= residents/ Good Lord please try to use common English words correctly.

Its pretty awesome how shameless the hardcore republicans are. Within sentences of each other they will drone on about both the sanctity of the constitution and the need to modify the 14th amendment. Without a hint of awareness regarding their stupidity.

$100 for proof I ever did that.

Stupid? Amendment are part of the Constitution. Amendments can and have been modified by other amendments. Stupid? Who? It is part of the process. It is part of the "sanctity" of the Constitution. Stupid? Who?

How could you not understand this ? Who is stupid?

11 million is a widely accepted number for the population of illegal immigrants. Do you dispute this?

Or I guess, you just don't think they're working?

Wookie, probably less than 2/3rds are working: Children, unemployed, stay at home moms, etc.

Awesome. So if the penalty for breaking the law is a fine like i suggest you are happy with that.

As for 11 million, you are right there probably are a few of those who arent working, lets halve it, 5.5 million is still a LOT of people contributing to the economy.

Arent most illegal immigrants men who work and send money home to the family?

I mean i guestimated at half but i suspect it is much higher than that. Few are getting the wages that they can afford to have stay at home moms and they dont get unemployment cheques so most probably work to some degree.

No, not 11,000,000, not anyplace close. Do you?

The economy, family obligations, educational demands, poor luck, good luck, between jobs, poor health, too young or aged, are all good reasons that a great many people have to be unemployed. Did you not know this? Hardly seems possible.

Then do you think illegal immigrants are that different?