When that point is made, it is assumed for the sake of argument that all otherwise law abiding citizens would obey the strict laws. I seriously doubt they would.

Lack of knowledge, lack of money to pay for training and a gun

Your hyperbole is indeed appreciated. It shows how capable you are of participating in an adult conversation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/us...-nytmetro&_r=0

Cliffs:
Not surprisingly, after the Gabbie Giffords shooting, the DOJ studied a number of proposals that it thought might help keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and other people that maybe shouldn't have them. Also, not surprisingly, these ideas were shelved because of the 2012 election, fear of the NRA, and the unlikelihood of actually getting the things that needed Congressional approval (as opposed to things that could be done by executive order) through Congress.

Several of these proposals seem pretty reasonable to me, but I wanted to get the take of some of the people itt who have, let's say, a more expansive view of gun rights than I do.

1) Have federal agencies that pay out benefits (like Soc Sec) notify the FBI when someone starts having their benefits sent to a trustee (because the recipient has some sort of mental incapacity that means that the beneficiary isn't trusted to get the benefits check directly), so that the FBI can put that persons' name into the background check database.

2) Provide money to states to encourage them to report people who have been adjudicated as mentally incompetent at the state level into the federal database. FYI, the article indicates that the Va. Tech shooter had been adjudicated as incompetent by a state judge, but that info didn't make it into the national database.

3) Increase penalties on people who act as straw purchasers (i.e. I use my clean record to buy guns for people that I know or at least suspect might not be able to pass a background check).

So, to the strong gun rights advocates ITT, (a) do these seem like reasonable proposals, and if not, why not, and (b) if they are reasonable, will you get mad at the NRA if President Obama makes these proposals and the NRA goes all, "ZOMG, see, we told you, they're coming for your guns!" on him?

Somehow I didn't have any major papers this semester, but I do have a dissertation looming in a few years. I think I will address one of the many things that are discussed on this forum.

That was a reasonable answer.

But even in presence of a reasonable answer, I'm glad we can continue to count on obvious lowkey is obvious.

Very well said. Too bad it'll be taken literally and not as satire.

Ok, how often does an armed civilian prevent any crime?
I just want an example of how owning a gun would help.

Would you prefer I spend my time pointing out all your various uses of hyperbole and strawmen and so on and so forth?

Would that make you change your posting style to a more reasonable one?

You scare the **** out of people who favor those laws.

Ok, this is from the gun owner thread. A guy in there has talked about hearing people walking around outside his house in his yard, and he used the noise a gun makes by racking the slide (or as I would put it, "pulling back the dealy that makes used bullets fly out") to scare off the potential criminals.

Were they criminals? We'll never know. They didn't break into his house after he let them know he was armed.

He said he has used this tactic successfully 2-3 times.

Did those people go on to rob a different house? Maybe. So was the crime prevented, or simply moved to somewhere else? To the gun owner, it was, I think, prevented.

Your time is your own, I don't have a preference as to how you spend it, but if helps to unrustle your jimmies to do so, far be it from me to stand in the way of your gratification.

Given my lack of infractions and bannings, you'll need to demonstrate my unreasonableness. There's likely more productive and entertaining ways for you to add wear and tear to your keyboard, however, then the continued unintentional irony of you calling another poster a troll.

Who has been here since 2006 and can't spot a ****ty level? I hope it's not me.

I don't favor an outright gun ban, but am in favor of banning certain types of guns. Hunting rifles and shotguns are allowed. No one needs a semi-automatic rifle or handgun. Ban these types of weapons. If you feel the need to own a gun for self defense, buy a shotgun or a revolver.

Just because it was fairly a obvious level doesn't mean that it isn't what gun nuts actually think :P

Something else we'll never know, though, is whether or not those people were actually acting in the intended commission of a violent crime. So, if the guy is cocking his gun to make that sound, then you potentially have a case of someone criminally menacing someone who may not be in the process of committing a crime at all.

And the likelihood of this guy "pulling back the dealy that makes used bullets fly out", without having an actual bullet in the gun, when he thinks someone's actually about to break in, is pretty much zero.

But I'm sure in that guy's mind, he no doubt prevented multiple crimes from taking place. Even if it's the bottom grade misdemeanor of a drunk teen stumbling through his yard to shortcut home after a party.

Exactly. Absolutely ridiculous that people do this and think it's OK.

of course. crazy guy gonna crazy. bad things happen, especially in a gun loving society like a ours.

right, someone who actually thinks stuff like that is a better definition for gun nut than "someone who disagrees with me"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespass#Trespass_to_land

maybe? iamnal

I'm guessing that this was late at night and turning on a light to let them know someone was home would accomplish the same thing.

Hardly any criminals are looking to break into an occupied house.

Hi George Zimmermann,

Just because someone is on your property doesn't give you the right to threaten or kill them. You can kindly ask them to leave like most reasonable people.

well, possibly. not really any way of knowing. that's all I have available to me right now when i hear strange noises. of course, I have also not have my house broken in to. it would be specious reasoning to claim that the former caused the latter, of course

lolwat

gz owned the entire property that tm was walking through?

do you even know what you're talking about?

It is confirmed the mother was a gun nut. How many of you in this thread have taught your kids to shoot?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1220893

Hmm, this seems familiar.

stand your ground law derives from this, obviously

I know it's hard to make connections sometimes, but at least try.