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12-15-2012 , 11:12 PM
Incoherent rants are a precursor to violent behavior
12-15-2012 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
Yea, whiny bitches who want to steal from me aren't gonna get much love from me. Sorry.

Now the kids, that's a tragedy.

You *******s, LMAO at your butthurt.

Because you're not butthurt the kids got killed.

You're butthurt Obama is too good of a human being to let you piss on those kids graves to sleep better at night.
What world do you live in?

When gun control people make tragedy "political" by calling for more gun control, they are genuinely trying to prevent tragedies from happening. I could care less if everyone in the country had an assault rifle, but they just sat in people's attics like in Austria (or is that switzerland). I just want to figure out how to prevent kids from getting murdered at school every year.

On the other hand, when the "gun crowd" brings out their arguments about how more guns would have prevented this, Im not convinced if they are making those arguments for altruistic reasons, I wonder if they are much more concerned about their 10k+ investment in firearms.
12-15-2012 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by surftheiop
What world do you live in?

When gun control people make tragedy "political" by calling for more gun control, they are genuinely trying to prevent tragedies from happening. I could care less if everyone in the country had an assault rifle, but they just sat in people's attics like in Austria (or is that switzerland). I just want to figure out how to prevent kids from getting murdered at school every year.

On the other hand, when the "gun crowd" brings out their arguments about how more guns would have prevented this, Im not convinced if they are making those arguments for altruistic reasons, I wonder if they are much more concerned about their 10k+ investment in firearms.
they get all butthurt when their 2nd amendment gets threatened , their solution to lunatics with guns , is more guns . no tyrranical threats have been overthrown , ever, but still want their right to own unlimited number of guns , with a light speed amount of rounds per second , even though the bill of rights they cite applied to guns that could barely shoot a shot every 10 seconds. so the amount of kids getting killed dont matter, because by their logic, guns saves lives.
12-15-2012 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
cool - adults with above average intelligence that less than 3 guns wonder why others with above average intelligence don't want idiots having guns
... leaving out whole words is a sign of above average intelligence?


i'm a gun owner and stuff but both sides of this argument are pissing me off so I'm going to go drink and make music and ignore the real world.

Last edited by prana; 12-15-2012 at 11:29 PM. Reason: or headshot fools in ps2
12-15-2012 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Any stats on how often guns are used successfully in self-defense? I imagine the pro-gun crowd would get a lot more support on their side if they could show that those 10,000 gun deaths are the unfortunate but necessary cost of 60,000 people saving their own lives with guns each year
The number of lawful defenses with a firearm is massive. The vast majority of the time, all it takes is brandishing to end the conflict.

Those things are usually never reported, and if they are, there isn't statistics to verify them. Whereas a shooting is reported and publicized highly.

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Originally Posted by JimHammer
Who really needs a gun for personal protection? I live in a pretty sketchy area and my house has been broken into several times, but I've never felt the need to own a gun.

And how often does an armed civilian actually prevent a gun crime?
So because you personally feel safe, you believe everyone else should as well? gotcha.

The woman 3 blocks down who was raped last week doesn't feel the same way.
12-15-2012 , 11:34 PM
I thought this was a sad event about mistaken identity which i discussed WAYYY earlier in this thread to the people that shoot at shadows in the night because they are scurred. Might be a slow pony.



Man shoots granddaughter, mistakes her for intruder

Is this title ok guise?
12-15-2012 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
This is the only story I've read about the mom so far. She very well may be a "gun nut" but what in this particular story backs that label IYO?
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Mother Nancy Lanza often took her kids target shooting, landscaper Dan Holmes said. 'That was a passion,' he said. 'The whole family would go together.'
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12-15-2012 , 11:38 PM
So having a gun and shooting at the range makes one a "gun nut" IYO?

Just want to be clear on the usage here.
12-15-2012 , 11:38 PM
So like, everyone who uses target shooting as a recreation activity is a gun nut?

You sound reasonable?
12-15-2012 , 11:39 PM
what does that prove champ?
12-15-2012 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NeBlis
LOLZ no... you are are a completely irrational child who is scared of the equivalent of a paper weight. If you had the same sort of fear of cars, swimming pools, or laders you would be locked in an asylum.

And again you are ignoring the facts, and not looking at the mental health issues that cause this sort of outlier behavior.
I am afraid of cars. Swimming pools don't kill 1/250 of the number of people guns kill. Guns propel a chunk of lead faster than the speed of sound for the express purpose of hurting someone. Fear and respect seem pretty reasonable.
12-15-2012 , 11:40 PM
I feel bad for the mods

one person has reported 9 posts ITT today
12-15-2012 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by goofball
Who thinks that?
Goodie and champstark, for starters.
12-15-2012 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I feel bad for the mods

one person has reported 9 posts ITT today
I bet it was Neblis
12-15-2012 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I feel bad for the mods
Voluntarist mods, tho.
12-15-2012 , 11:47 PM
If she had some sort of troubled divorce while in the care of a developmentally challenged child (things we dont know yet) and then developed 'a passion for target shooting'...

Well, yeah, I gotta problem with that
12-15-2012 , 11:48 PM
"To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years."

So bluebassman is super against this and low key thinks it could be a good starting point (but missing some specifics). what do the rest of the pro gun people think of this idea? doesnt have to be these exact laws, but something along these lines.
12-15-2012 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I bet it was Neblis
Well, there have been a ton of personal attacks.

I personally have been called stupid by two people ITT.

As usual, no argument, just name calling.
12-15-2012 , 11:49 PM
holy **** bro. Are you making up the few crazy reasons to take up shooting and trying to assign them to people? (We don't know that tho!)

@#thinman obv
12-15-2012 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by beeschnuts
So bluebassman is super against this and low key thinks it could be a good starting point (but missing some specifics). what do the rest of the pro gun people think of this idea? doesnt have to be these exact laws, but something along these lines.
Spoiler:


This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, or the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!

12-15-2012 , 11:52 PM
No I was giving specific examples of why I would have a problem with a target shooter, instead of wide sweeping generalizations that seem to be the norm for many posts here.
12-15-2012 , 11:55 PM
Oh, also, curious how many of the gun owners itt are current or previous members of the military, or have some other form of formal training beyond 'hunting with dad when I was a kid'?
12-15-2012 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
If she had some sort of troubled divorce while in the care of a developmentally challenged child (things we dont know yet) and then developed 'a passion for target shooting'...

Well, yeah, I gotta problem with that
The story originally mentioned that she grew up in rural new hampshire and was a hunter, the shooting wasn't some new hobby she picked up.

Those parts have been removed from the current story that is posted, weirdly.

Here's a snip from the google results page:

She was just a farm girl from New Hampshire,” he said. “She was a hunter.

but hey, until we know for sure one way or the other the best thing to do is just make **** up, right?
12-15-2012 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
No I was giving specific examples of why I would have a problem with a target shooter, instead of wide sweeping generalizations that seem to be the norm for many posts here.
Do you have problems with them taking on other hobbies that could possibly be used to murder?


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Originally Posted by #Thinman
Oh, also, curious how many of the gun owners itt are current or previous members of the military, or have some other form of formal training beyond 'hunting with dad when I was a kid'?
I'd trust most of the people I grew up hunting with wrt to gun safety more than most cops/military ******s I've met since. 3 of the cops in my town were high school security guards ffs. The dumbest of the dumb. Before dblbrl goes on a rage, yeah there are a few outliers that handle weapons properly. I do have friends that were special ops and Rangers though who I do hunt with. My grandpa was a Marine and his brother who taught me to shoot was a green beret.

Last edited by prana; 12-16-2012 at 12:04 AM.
12-15-2012 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
The story originally mentioned that she grew up in rural new hampshire and was a hunter, the shooting wasn't some new hobby she picked up.

Those parts have been removed from the current story that is posted, weirdly.

Here's a snip from the google results page:

She was just a farm girl from New Hampshire,” he said. “She was a hunter.

but hey, until we know for sure one way or the other the best thing to do is just make **** up, right?
Also, it sounds like yeah, they had a really bad divorce. From the story you apparently didn't read (this part wasn't edited out):

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The couple had married on June 6, 1981, in Kingston, N.H. — where Adam Lanza was born — and the divorce hit Peter Lanza hard, his lawyer said.

“He was very upset that he was getting divorced, but he didn’t want to take it out on anybody,” said attorney Gary Oberst.

He said the Lanzas were deeply devoted to their children. In fact, Peter Lanza insisted on handing over more money than his lawyer initially suggested.

“He did more than he had to with the divorce,” said Oberst. “When he came in to consult with me, I said, ‘This is what your obligation is.’ He said, ‘That’s not enough. I want to do more.’ ”

The family insider described the Lanzas as “lovely, very generous people who were very kind to each other during the divorce.”

      
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