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07-22-2016 , 10:35 PM

#23801

problemeliminator

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve1238

It's hard to incentivize people to improve if target pays the same as medical field jobs.

have you read any of the research in how incentives work? Not working at Target is its own reward.

07-22-2016 , 10:38 PM

#23802

Huehuecoyotl

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What if I were to tell you that other countries have higher effective minimal wages while simultaneously paying their doctors less?

07-22-2016 , 10:43 PM

#23803

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by True North

this has to be a troll at this point

i overdose on poe's law in this forum

07-22-2016 , 10:48 PM

#23804

Huehuecoyotl

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Anyways I'm done with the welfare argument though I will say the guns as a right to defend yourself and guns as a block against (liberal) tyranny and the backlash against welfare are actively wrapped up together.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 07-22-2016 at 10:56 PM.

07-22-2016 , 11:01 PM

#23805

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve1238

Help wanted signs everywhere tho

sounds anecdotal but i'm gonna need the judges' ruling

07-22-2016 , 11:06 PM

#23806

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

What if I were to tell you that other countries have higher effective minimal wages while simultaneously paying their doctors less?

How do they avoid running out of doctors?

07-22-2016 , 11:10 PM

#23807

campfirewest

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Originally Posted by problemeliminator

How do they avoid running out of doctors?

They just ration the healthcare.

07-22-2016 , 11:18 PM

#23808

Huehuecoyotl

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The US rations healthcare as well. They just do it via employers and since employers aren't the government they aren't rationing it. That's how you make rationing disappear.

07-22-2016 , 11:20 PM

#23809

5ive

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I love the neocon myth of passion playing no part.

07-22-2016 , 11:31 PM

#23810

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Quote:

Originally Posted by campfirewest

They just ration the healthcare.

ah, thats why the US healthcare system is usually ranked better than, say Denmark.

07-22-2016 , 11:50 PM

#23811

Jbrochu

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When you can pay twice as much for worse results, I don't see what's not to like.

07-22-2016 , 11:57 PM

#23812

BitchiBee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Just a wild guess but I'm assuming Steve and Bitchibee are vehemently against raising the minimum wage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by True North

I'd guess they're against the minimum wage, period.

ofc min wag is government price control on labor, that doesn't work in any sector why do you think it works in the labor market?

Quote:

If they can't find a job they can starve if charity can't cover the gap.
Today 08:32 PM

you say this as if its easy to starve in the western world.

07-23-2016 , 12:01 AM

#23813

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4SIEl1j8e4

3 minute video of thomas sowell on min wage, I've yet to hear an adequate refutation of his simple argument.

07-23-2016 , 12:26 AM

#23814

Oroku$aki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

ofc min wag is government price control on labor, that doesn't work in any sector why do you think it works in the labor market?

you say this as if its easy to starve in the western world.

Don't forget going hungry.

07-23-2016 , 06:40 AM

#23815

True North

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14% of Americans experienced food insecurity in 2014, 5.6% severely.

07-23-2016 , 06:57 AM

#23816

True North

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BitchiBee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4SIEl1j8e4

3 minute video of thomas sowell on min wage, I've yet to hear an adequate refutation of his simple argument.

Concerns about the inefficiencies of the minimum wage can be dealt with through some form of subsidy, either expansion of the EITC or just going straight to a basic personal income. But I'm guessing you don't support either of those, either.

07-23-2016 , 08:54 AM

#23817

problemeliminator

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http://bigstory.ap.org/81b6044778f34517b195dd406a8af4f0

New polling. More people are coming around, but how much difference will it make?

Simple arguments are the only kind some people can understand.

07-23-2016 , 09:22 AM

#23818

JimHammer

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Quote:

"Like the Bible, they use it for their own arguments," she said. "You can manipulate and twist arguments for your own benefits."

Pretty much.

07-23-2016 , 09:53 AM

#23819

Jiggymike

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

07-23-2016 , 10:16 AM

#23820

BitchiBee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by True North

those are both fine options provided. Canada doesn't have tax for incomes of 9k cdn or below seems great and basic personal income is great if you shave off welfare and ss and the like.

better than the current system for sure, I am not an ideological purist. also your suggesting of bpi means you agree min wage is **** right

07-23-2016 , 02:46 PM

#23821

master3004

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isnt a basic personal income more likely to produce people who dont want to work than welfare?

07-23-2016 , 03:42 PM

#23822

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theres no disincentives to work

say we have a bpi of 8k usd/person which is very doable, this is enough for food and rent, most people want more so they can work for more. you don't get punished for working as you do in many welfare programs