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I gotta say, when people use the "maybe we should just outlaw cars" talking point, it's like... don't you get what is going on with cars right now? We ARE worried about the deaths caused by automobile, so much so that science is working non-stop on a way to reduce that by 95-99% in the next ten years. We see the damage done by automobiles and drunk driving and we are building to take that power and that danger out of the hands of the people who can wield it.

Would DOT mandated, ignition-locking breathalyzers be on your list of things you'd approve of?

09-01-2015 , 02:00 PM

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Westley

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Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds

Would DOT mandated, ignition-locking breathalyzers be on your list of things you'd approve of?

I'd be 100% behind that and anyone who wouldn't be, is an idiot.

09-01-2015 , 02:08 PM

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problemeliminator

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Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds

Would DOT mandated, ignition-locking breathalyzers be on your list of things you'd approve of?

What is the possible downside? People's freedom to drive drunk?

09-01-2015 , 02:13 PM

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master3004

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Would DOT mandated, ignition-locking breathalyzers be on your list of things you'd approve of?

Yes, I would highly approve of this. More so for those who are past offenders, but I don't see a problem with it as a general rule. (Note: this will be a moot issue in 10-15 years anyway)

09-01-2015 , 02:26 PM

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Westley

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Did 33BB just inadvertently highlight how ridiculous gun rights are? You know, I think he did.

09-01-2015 , 03:18 PM

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dereds

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I don't know the utility of cars v the utility of guns doesn't make the focus on the risk component of the risk reward calculation a mistake.

09-01-2015 , 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by master3004

Yes, I would highly approve of this. More so for those who are past offenders

This is the case for some past offenders

09-01-2015 , 05:23 PM

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LASJayhawk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Westley

I'd be 100% behind that and anyone who wouldn't be, is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by master3004

Yes, I would highly approve of this. More so for those who are past offenders, but I don't see a problem with it as a general rule. (Note: this will be a moot issue in 10-15 years anyway)

You understand if you eat an order of onion rings, your car won't start, right? You understand if your diabetic it will be a crap shoot if your car starts, right? You understand you will have to take your car in every year or 500 starts to have it recalibrated, right?

09-01-2015 , 05:50 PM

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33 Big Blinds

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I would lol, but unfortunately it isn't funny. Are you ****ing serious!? You guys don't deserve to live here. You've gone beyond Statism straight to Demolition Man type ****.

Over 1 million people have died fighting for freedom in this country, and you sociopaths just want to give up any and all freedom if it'll save a couple thousand lives. You're pathetic.

09-01-2015 , 05:52 PM

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MrWookie

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ALL FREEDOM

09-01-2015 , 05:52 PM

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UthersGhost

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Yeah because, you know, technology never improves, right?

09-01-2015 , 05:54 PM

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MrWookie

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The merry band of gun-toting rednecks are the only reason we can have voting and apple pie!

09-01-2015 , 06:10 PM

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rjoefish

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Again the answer to a disagreement is 'get out of my country!'. So much for defend your right to say it blah blah blah.

09-01-2015 , 06:11 PM

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LASJayhawk

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Originally Posted by UthersGhost

Yeah because, you know, technology never improves, right?

Breathalyzers work by detecting metabolites of the alcohol, but these same metabolites are generated by food like onions and in people with blood sugar issues.

The only direct test I am aware of is a blood test, but if the sample is not handled correctly, the results will be erroneous.

09-01-2015 , 06:29 PM

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Westley

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Let's say for the purpose of 33BBs hypothetical that the ignition linked breathalyser was 100% accurate.

I'm curious to hear the argument against potentially reducing them number of road deaths by a 3rd??

As long as it's not your family dying it doesn't matter though obviously, because FREEDOM

09-01-2015 , 07:06 PM

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master3004

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Originally Posted by 33 Big Blinds

Over 1 million people have died fighting for freedom in this country, and you sociopaths just want to give up any and all freedom if it'll save a couple thousand lives. You're pathetic.

Care to give an estimate on how many of those who died did so in active pursuit of our freedom? Cause last I checked, the last war we fought which actively worked towards our ability to be free was in 1776.

09-01-2015 , 07:13 PM

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truefish

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Screw it just legalize drunk driving then cuz Murcia freedom!

09-01-2015 , 07:32 PM

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JimHammer

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Originally Posted by master3004

He was referring to the southern casualties in the Civil War.

Spoiler:

09-01-2015 , 07:37 PM

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LASJayhawk

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You come up with the 100% accurate system and a way to implement it in all cars, old and new, then will talk.

The problem is your asking why we haven't built the starship enterprise, when we don't have the engine to power it.

09-01-2015 , 07:39 PM

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LASJayhawk

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Yea, we lost a lot of lives keeping Europe free from Germany, so Phill could tell us how dumb we are in English instead of German.

09-01-2015 , 07:51 PM

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JimHammer

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Who needs guns to hunt?

http://i.imgur.com/fmsKk6a.gifv

09-01-2015 , 07:51 PM

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master3004

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So we fought for Europe's freedom, not ours right? We should probably start bitching about their gun laws and letting all the Europeans know how many of our countrymen died so that everybody there could have a gun and not have to take a breathalyzer test