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01-12-2013 , 12:37 PM

#7801

Case Closed

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Looks like old George should have written that down instead of what they actually wrote.

01-12-2013 , 12:44 PM

#7802

Benholio

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I like this framer quote:

Quote:

I ask sir, what is a 'well regulated' militia? It is one with no regulations at all. Attempting to regulate it should be regarded as tyranny.

01-12-2013 , 12:47 PM

#7803

goofball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

Both my sons were born pre-mature. They are now both 26 & 24 years old.

There are also 2nd amendment limitations.

Good to hear they did well. I had a friend whose daughter was born 9 weeks premature and was touch and go for a long time, had two surgeries before she left the hospital for the first time. She's through the woods now though.

How though, is that an argument that a fetus is a child?

01-12-2013 , 12:47 PM

#7804

Low Key

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

Did everyone get their emergency gorilla yet?

Yeah, but it attacked me, so now I need to go pick up two.

01-12-2013 , 01:02 PM

#7805

[Phill]

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

Both my sons were born pre-mature. They are now both 26 & 24 years old.

There are also 2nd amendment limitations.

They were not born as fetuses that were young enough to have been aborted.

Moving on, now we have established the 2nd amendment has limitations can we stop talking about how infringing on the 2nd amendment is automatically bad and stop using dumb terms like "natural rights" which mean literally nothing.

01-12-2013 , 01:05 PM

#7806

[Phill]

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Quoting long dead racist misogynistic fascists about what they thought laws should mean is a really really bad slippery slope to get on.

01-12-2013 , 01:59 PM

#7807

gusmahler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

lol gun nuts, so predictable

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/12/us...e.html?hp&_r=0

I don't know what's so LOL about this. The President of the United States announces that he wants to ban certain guns, so people buy them before they're banned. It's misguided (an assault weapons ban is unlikely to be passed), but it's a natural reaction.

01-12-2013 , 02:10 PM

#7808

prana

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It's like the Colbert Report bit this last week imo.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...xrs=share_copy

01-12-2013 , 02:11 PM

#7809

Case Closed

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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-arrested?lite

Quote:

A Texas man is facing third-degree felony charges of making a terroristic threat after he allegedly told elementary school staffers he brought a gun to the building, NBCDFW.com reported.

Not sure if this is the right gun thread.

01-12-2013 , 02:31 PM

#7810

Happy_Fish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Case Closed

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-arrested?lite

Not sure if this is the right gun thread.

That guy is crazy and there was certainly a better way to go about making his point, but terrorism charges are you kidding me?

01-12-2013 , 02:35 PM

#7811

JimHammer

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What should you be charged with when going into a school, telling people you're armed and are going after a target?

I don't think "terroristic threat" is the same as "terrorism".

01-12-2013 , 02:36 PM

#7812

surftheiop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy_Fish

That guy is crazy and there was certainly a better way to go about making his point, but terrorism charges are you kidding me?

Officials say Ronald Miller was unarmed Wednesday when he told a school greeter outside Celina Elementary School that he had a gun, according to NBCDFW.com. The town of Celina is just north of Dallas.

The greeter froze in panic when Miller said he was a gunman and his target was inside

If thats not a terrorist threat, then I don't know what is. It doesn't matter if he "meant it" or not. He told someone he was prepared and on his way to kill a target inside a school.

01-12-2013 , 02:37 PM

#7813

Happy_Fish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JimHammer

What should you be charged with when going into a school, telling people you're armed and are going after a target?

I don't think "terroristic threat" is the same as "terrorism".

Well, when you have no weapon, then tell people in the office you have no weapon and want to talk to the principal it's a little bit different than every other conceivable scenario. Nobody at any time was ever in any danger at all.

01-12-2013 , 02:40 PM

#7814

Sommerset

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy_Fish

That guy is crazy and there was certainly a better way to go about making his point, but terrorism charges are you kidding me?

What he did was actually pretty much the definition of 'making a terroristic threat'..

As the guy above me said, the fact that he wasn't serious about it is totally irrelevant

01-12-2013 , 02:41 PM

#7815

Sommerset

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy_Fish

Well, when you have no weapon, then tell people in the office you have no weapon and want to talk to the principal it's a little bit different than every other conceivable scenario. Nobody at any time was ever in any danger at all.

not relevant

01-12-2013 , 02:41 PM

#7816

surftheiop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy_Fish

Pick up your phone, tell some airline you have a bomb on X-Flight number and then let us know how this defense works for you in court

01-12-2013 , 02:41 PM

#7817

Happy_Fish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sommerset

What he did was actually pretty much the definition of 'making a terroristic threat'..

As the guy above me said, the fact that he wasn't serious about it is totally irrelevant

From the information I could find, it looks like he's charged with a 3rd degree felony for making the threat. That's fine by me. What I don't want to see is Patriot Act **** putting this dude away for 50 years.

01-12-2013 , 02:43 PM

#7818

rjoefish

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pvn slacking today

01-12-2013 , 02:52 PM

#7819

Case Closed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjoefish

pvn slacking today

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy_Fish

That guy is crazy and there was certainly a better way to go about making his point, but terrorism charges are you kidding me?

I don't know the exact wording of the law but that guy was using direct threats of violence to try and get political change. Terrorism is not a well defined word, but I am sure this action falls within a lot of reasonable definitions.

I think I get what you mean though. It's just so stupid that it is hard to call him a terrorist. But that seems like what he was doing.

01-12-2013 , 02:53 PM

#7820

JimHammer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy_Fish

Good sleuthing.

Spoiler:

01-12-2013 , 03:09 PM

#7821

Happy_Fish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Case Closed

I think he's a lot closer to a stupid misguided father than a terrorist, but I think we agree generally agree here.

Quote:

Good sleuthing.

Way to be a jackass. You realize one source means jack? There's more than one linked article, one of which says:

Quote:

Miller was arrested Wednesday evening on charges of making terroristic threats and held in lieu of $75,000 bail. He could not be reached for comment.

So I 'slueth' around some more and find:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...160251551.html

Quote:

Meanwhile, Miller, who was arrested on Wednesday night after being charged with making terroristic threats—a third-degree felony—was released on $75,000 bail.

That's how research works!

01-12-2013 , 03:11 PM

#7822

Happy_Fish

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The former volunteer firefighter was later arrested at his home and charged with making a terrorist threat. If found guilty he could face prison with a sentence anywhere between two and ten years.

What do you guys think?

01-12-2013 , 03:18 PM

#7823

Case Closed

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I think his head was in the right place emotionally. He was scared for his kid's lives and wanted to check the security.

I think making terrorist threats should be a criminal offense and that is what he did. I'm sure it will be plead down tho.