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05-28-2014 , 03:01 PM

#1126

Namath12

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As proof, the family claims it supervised the photo shoots.

lol @ this being "proof"

If this is the case there's a whole bunch of folks whose moms "supervised" their photo shoots over the years bout to get PAID.

05-28-2014 , 03:27 PM

#1127

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On the heels of the taxi/Uber thing, in b4 all of them band together to demand human drivers at the wheel:

Google’s Next Phase in Driverless Cars: No Steering Wheel or Brake Pedals

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Last year, Lawrence D. Burns, former vice president for research and development at General Motors and now a Google consultant, led a study at the Earth Institute at Columbia University on transforming personal mobility.

The researchers found that Manhattan’s 13,000 taxis made 470,000 trips a day. Their average speed was 10 to 11 m.p.h., carrying an average of 1.4 passengers per trip with an average wait time of five minutes.

In comparison, the report said, it is possible for a futuristic robot fleet of 9,000 shared automated vehicles hailed by smartphone to match that capacity with a wait time of less than one minute. Assuming a 15 percent profit, the current cost of taxi service would be about $4 per trip mile, while in contrast, it was estimated, a Manhattan-based driverless vehicle fleet would cost about 50 cents per mile.

As for this guy:

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Google is one of the few companies that could take on a challenge like that, said John J. Leonard, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology roboticist. But he added: “I do not expect there to be driverless taxis in Manhattan in my lifetime.”

I wonder if he's a.) really old, or b.) thinking about politics rather than technology. I definitely see this happening in my lifetime.

05-28-2014 , 03:29 PM

#1128

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I'm for photographers owning their own work. If payment for work comes with a contract that states otherwise, that's a whole other ball of wax. I had a friend who shot food for big grocery chains and even that was her work. She granted clients the rights to use her work. That's what they pay for.

05-28-2014 , 03:53 PM

#1129

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Originally Posted by Ashington

I might buy this if they were asking the courts to force the photographer to sell them. They're not. They offered to buy, that didn't work, so now it's "gimme" with some convoluted attempt at a legal end-around.

In any event, they clearly have no clue how copyright law works if they actually think these photos belong to them.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions here. Without knowing anything of the original agreement, we have no way of knowing who owns the pictures.

05-28-2014 , 04:12 PM

#1130

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

I wonder if he's a.) really old, or b.) thinking about politics rather than technology. I definitely see this happening in my lifetime.

Regardless of what he is actually thinking of, the politics will make this a huge deal and massively delay adoption.

05-28-2014 , 04:13 PM

#1131

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Agreed with the rest, but we absolutely should be spying on Merkel.

Whether we should be doing it or not isn't the issue, finding out that we actually were doing it and having proof that nobody in the government has dared to deny is a big deal.

05-28-2014 , 04:14 PM

#1132

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Yup. That kind of leak annoyed me though. I have no problems with the NSA spying on foreign countries, allies or not.

05-28-2014 , 04:36 PM

#1133

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The news around recent primaries was largely "Republican establishment wins against Tea Party challengers", but there was one notable victim:

Oldest congressman forcibly retired by voters

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Representative Ralph Hall of Texas, who at 91 is the oldest member in the history of the US Congress, was defeated on Tuesday in a Republican primary vote.

Mr Hall's opponent in the runoff election, grass-roots conservative, Tea Party-backed attorney John Ratcliffe, made the representative's age an explicit issue in the race. An independent political action committee, Now or Never PAC, aired a television advert featuring a rocking chair and the words: "After 33 years let's bring Ralph Hall home."

05-28-2014 , 04:44 PM

#1134

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At least now we know that 66 for a woman is equal to 91 for a man in the "too old for elected office" category

05-28-2014 , 04:55 PM

#1135

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Originally Posted by Ashington

I might buy that you were doing something other than ranting against WMT reflexively if you hadn't made up the "forced sale" tort and the loltastic assertion that a quarter of a trillion dollar company has no understanding of copyright law.

05-28-2014 , 05:04 PM

#1136

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

On the heels of the taxi/Uber thing, in b4 all of them band together to demand human drivers at the wheel:

Google’s Next Phase in Driverless Cars: No Steering Wheel or Brake Pedals

As for this guy:

I wonder if he's a.) really old, or b.) thinking about politics rather than technology. I definitely see this happening in my lifetime.

Nope Uber will go driverless and cut out the driver.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/5/28...f-driving-cars

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Uber will eventually replace the people who drive its cars with cars that drive themselves, CEO Travis Kalanick said today at the Code Conference.

05-28-2014 , 05:19 PM

#1137

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Originally Posted by Low Key

At least now we know that 66 for a woman is equal to 91 for a man in the "too old for elected office" category

Hell we elect dead legislators, age is irrelevant for Congress.

05-28-2014 , 05:31 PM

#1138

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Cool, thanks for the added info.

I can see arguments on both sides. Like, maybe someone commissions photos from you which, through your effort alone as a photographer, turn out to be great works of art. I'd hesitate to say the person who paid for the photos owns them, but I'd also hesitate to say they should get no benefits from the later success of those photos which wouldn't exist without their commissioning.

Work made for hire photo shoots by non employees is likely done by professional organizations that know how to contract for the rights they want. Doubt it comes up much in the future.

05-28-2014 , 05:42 PM

#1139

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Nope Uber will go driverless and cut out the driver.

you're kind of missing the point, if the cabbies get their way uber will be legislated out of existence. It's not a technical quesiton, it's purely political.

05-28-2014 , 05:47 PM

#1140

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There's all kinds of fuss like this in the comic book world from back before people were better about establishing what was work for hire (and what that meant). There's a ton of ambiguity and confusion, and just acting like the evil corporation is in the wrong is a bad knee jerk mistake.

In a lot of comics cases it's been the case that the publisher did legally own the work (albeit in some cases through rather shady "by signing this check you conset to..." means).

05-28-2014 , 05:48 PM

#1141

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The more I am learning about Greece v. Galloway the more I like it. Seems like the religion pushers may have pushed too hard.

http://www.chesterfieldobserver.com/...88381481237582

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The letter, written by Americans United Legal Director Ayesha N. Khan and ACLU of Virginia Legal Director Rebecca K. Glenberg, notes that “Although this policy has previously been upheld in court, the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Town of Greece v. Galloway makes clear that prayer opportunities must be available to persons of all faiths.”

The case in which the board’s existing policy was upheld was a lawsuit filed by a county resident, Cynthia Simpson, a member of the Reclaiming Witches order who asked the county in 2002 to add her name to the list of clergy invited to lead invocations at board meetings.

Simpson won the first round in U.S. District Court in Richmond, but the county ultimately prevailed when the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the board has a right to set restrictions on the kinds of prayers given at its meetings as well as the people who lead them.

Both the Supreme Court in its Greece decision and the appeals court in the Simpson case based their rulings on the concept of “legislative prayer.” In numerous decisions, U.S. courts have repeatedly ruled that elected officials, from local boards and councils all the way up to Congress, have a right to pray as a group on their own behalf and for their own benefit.

05-28-2014 , 05:58 PM

#1142

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Originally Posted by pvn

you're kind of missing the point, if the cabbies get their way uber will be legislated out of existence. It's not a technical quesiton, it's purely political.

Didn't a beardless Jeff Bridges do a movie about this?

05-28-2014 , 06:06 PM

#1143

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

I'm pretty sure I'm moar aware of copyright law than whomever filed this suit. And I didn't even sit for the bar. The entire affair reeks of "We're used to getting our way how dare you?!?"

Like have you ever even attempted to allege to your Olin Mills guy that you somehow "own" the pics you decided not to buy?

05-28-2014 , 06:28 PM

#1144

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A big corporation filing a suit they can't win doesn't have to be evidence they don't know the law. (but lol @ you thinking you're the expert here based on the facts at hand).

05-28-2014 , 06:43 PM

#1145

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Originally Posted by pvn

you're kind of missing the point, if the cabbies get their way uber will be legislated out of existence. It's not a technical quesiton, it's purely political.

True. I took it as Uber would team up with taxis to stop Google cars through legislation. Which probably won't happen.

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05-28-2014 , 06:55 PM

#1146

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Originally Posted by pvn

Regardless of what he is actually thinking of, the politics will make this a huge deal and massively delay adoption.

Yep. The technology is going to have to be absolutely error-free, which is impossible. What about snow? Idiot bikers? Hackers/terrorists?

I think we're probably a decade away from widespread adoption, and what that looks like is uncertain. Like, people are going to insist on a human override, but humans are probably going to be worse than computers at deciding when to override. But...the first time a smiling family of 6 dies from computer error or whatever, you know how it will play.

05-28-2014 , 07:01 PM

#1147

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And how existing players deal with driverless technology is super interesting. Google presumably wants to eliminate the driver in order to free people up to use the internet and look at google searches and google ads and stuff, and oh if they can license their technology thats great too, but they almost certainly don't want to be a car company.

So if you're GM/Ford/Toyota/Honda, what do you make of this and what are the strategic implications?

05-28-2014 , 07:01 PM

#1148

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by Ashington

If only you could bet things like this cause it is the freest of money that you are not more aware of the legal issues than the resources of WMT even with or without a law degree. We are reading press reports trying to make judgments on the facts and the legal actions taken. The smart money would be on a disconnect in this regard.
The entire thing reeks to me of a standard maximize the amount of money we can extort from deep pockets. They just started to protect their rights to the pictures after years of use by WMT and others. That alone might sink them.

05-28-2014 , 07:14 PM

#1149

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Originally Posted by pvn

lol max. if you really have no idea what's going on, why do you feel the compulsive need to chime in anyway and show everyone just how little you know?

Lol....sorry. Next time I"ll of course still chime in and just pretend I know what I'm talking about and never change my mind regardless of how many actuaries/non idiots chime in!!!

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Yeah, nbd, just spying on the chancellor of germany, some proof that the DNI is lying to the congressional committee that is responsible for overseeing his operation, etc. It's obviously nothing, that's why the US is downing ecuadorian diplomatic aircraft, sending out the goon squad to call for prosecution of Greenwald/Poitras, etc.

Yeah.....all seems pretty pedestrian to me. It's obviously embarrassing for the NSA leadership, administration etc (granted the fact that Merkel's phone was tapped is more embarrassing to German intelligence) . But the point of the leak wasn't to embarrass political leadership.

05-28-2014 , 07:20 PM

#1150

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

I won't presume to know much about intelligence gathering but I wonder if the question of what 'level' Snowden was makes sense. I don't know that you can apply your standard org chart or corporate hierarchy to the CIA/NSA; specifically, keeping all of your intelligence assets informed of one another and their role in the meta-aspects of the mission may not be wise in the event they get captured or their role compromised.

Yeah, I mean I don't expect defined levels where everybody knows everything that anybody with less clearance does. But I didn't think anything Snowden revealed would be out of the league of the lowest level clearance at the NSA. Maybe that is wrong.

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