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04-05-2011 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Turkey is a NATO member but its not like the organisation is a car and Turkey can just grab the handbrake.
Well yeah actually they can. All members of NATO have veto power.
04-06-2011 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Why would Turkey have any effect? The main commander is Canadian and most of the forces are British and French (and US? not sure on the full details of their involvement now).

Turkey is a NATO member but its not like the organisation is a car and Turkey can just grab the handbrake.
I'm not familiar enough with NATO's control structure to make specific judgement on Turkey's influence, but it is clear that after strongly opposing the (wide interpretation of the) resolution by the UNSC they didn't agree with NATO taking over control to simply conform with the then current operating procedure.
04-07-2011 , 12:25 AM
America loves dictators, they have a solid track record of propping up dictators...so please dont tell us you are in libya to get rid of a dictator



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qm9...feature=relmfu
04-07-2011 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Its a good sign in the sense he is willing to step aside it seems given all the info now flying around. Its a bad sign that he thinks we will let him just pass the crown on to his son.
WE will???? get the outa here...who the hell are you to dictate what goes on in another country? its because of people like you americans and and british that the world is unsafe today. YOU ignorant IDIOTs

Last edited by TomVeil; 04-07-2011 at 07:35 PM. Reason: Do not circumvent the profanity filter.
04-07-2011 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lasisy
WE will???? get the fu#$ck outa here...who the hell are you to dictate what goes on in another country? its because of people like you americans and and british that the world is unsafe today. YOU ignorant IDIOTs
Cool story bro.
04-15-2011 , 10:32 AM
False pretense for war in Libya?

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EVIDENCE IS now in that President Barack Obama grossly exaggerated the humanitarian threat to justify military action in Libya. The president claimed that intervention was necessary to prevent a “bloodbath’’ in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city and last rebel stronghold.

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Yahoo! Buzz ShareThis .But Human Rights Watch has released data on Misurata, the next-biggest city in Libya and scene of protracted fighting, revealing that Moammar Khadafy is not deliberately massacring civilians but rather narrowly targeting the armed rebels who fight against his government.

Misurata’s population is roughly 400,000. In nearly two months of war, only 257 people — including combatants — have died there. Of the 949 wounded, only 22 — less than 3 percent — are women. If Khadafy were indiscriminately targeting civilians, women would comprise about half the casualties.

Obama insisted that prospects were grim without intervention. “If we waited one more day, Benghazi . . . could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.’’ Thus, the president concluded, “preventing genocide’’ justified US military action.

But intervention did not prevent genocide, because no such bloodbath was in the offing. To the contrary, by emboldening rebellion, US interference has prolonged Libya’s civil war and the resultant suffering of innocents.

The best evidence that Khadafy did not plan genocide in Benghazi is that he did not perpetrate it in the other cities he had recaptured either fully or partially — including Zawiya, Misurata, and Ajdabiya, which together have a population greater than Benghazi.
04-15-2011 , 10:52 AM
BUSH LIED!
04-15-2011 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Sick ploy by Obama to make it hard for conservatives to hate him.
04-15-2011 , 11:36 AM
So where are the fanboys of the invasion now?

04-15-2011 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
The best evidence that Khadafy did not plan genocide in Benghazi is that he did not perpetrate it in the other cities he had recaptured either fully or partially — including Zawiya, Misurata, and Ajdabiya, which together have a population greater than Benghazi.
Or Khadafy has half a brain keeping him from forcing the international community (read US/Obama) to put boots on the ground.

You know, a lesson he could have learned just reading about the Kosovo War.

In other words, even if he originally intended to slaughter civilians, changing his mind after Obama bombed the living jesus out of his troops seems perfectly rational to me. He could always settle scores later.
04-16-2011 , 04:06 PM
Khadaffi was intimate with Serbia during the Kosovo War. He was the only bashton of support when the world condemned Milosevic.
<http://www.pri.org/politics-society/government/why-some-serbians-support-gaddafi3314.html>
It seems to me that through television and online news media, the american political machine has rabel roused our good nation of duped believers for yet another purposterous war, this time on Libya, for its resources and as a punishment for Ghadaffi's non-conformity.
Check out Stephen Lendman's 4/10 episode here:
<http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour/>

Having visited Tripoli, Zawiyah and Sabratha, Libya before NATO intervention, I can say it is beautiful full of reserved people with basic necessities met by social programs based in form of Jamahariya.
The people enjoy relaxed life and are happy with highest standard of living in Africa. There are little crimes and the cities are largely self-inforced. The people abide by muslim tennants and are faithful, and loyal. Diffusion of knowledge is quick. Pure water is in abundance due to investments in pumping of large natural aquifers underneath the Sahara.
<http://www.opednews.com/articles/3/Libya-s-Great-Man-Made-Riv-by-Stephen-Lendman-110415-868.html>

Life there is prosperous indeed, especially recently. The libyan people are intelligent and see what is happening. They are a people of moral and upright, resolute convictions with customs and tradtions wise to checks and balances. There would be no dictation if that is not how they chose to be lead. They want the government of Maummar Ghadaffi and they speak fondly of him everywhere.
I can only tell you what I have witnessed and I believe this war is a shame and a sham. Libyan society is fervent and united with Ghaddaffi for sovereignty of Libya.
I have been in touch with people in Zawiyah and there have been outcries of support for Ghadaffi in Zawiyah center. They have told me there was no ariel bombing until USA ravaged the country under ospice of NATO humanitarian crisis.
I can only speculate about some alterior motives our government has in facilitating unethical journalism. I realize what is being reported is not occurring in Libya and is apart of some mental conditioning to enthrall support for an insurrection of a soverign nation. Sadly, It is working and this is disconcerting.

Below is Dianna Johnstone's outline of false premises regarding the Libyan War.
<http://www.counterpunch.org/johnstone03242011.html>
Ghadaffi is responding to a wetern-armed insurrection with every move by Ghadaffi's forces being demonized by western media outlets as 'slaughter,' 'massacre,' or other buzz words to incite panic after USA failed to act in Rawanda.
There were little protests in Libya along with the other arab states, but Libya is largely a better and very good place to live. The people are tight nit and wouldn't stand for atrocities of mass murder. It struck me odd when American TV started reporting twitter as if it were true and it became appearant that Ghadaffi was targeted for removal for many reasons, including threatening banking monoploies. Through Africa's unification of the Gold Dinar, which would uplift all the people of the continent shifting economic disparity between the west and Africa, Africa could finally become free from slavery and oppression.
-Tarik
04-16-2011 , 04:17 PM
Aljazeera is crap news and sold out to US-friendly Qatar
Libya will not be able to be seperated because the people are so united.
This is a faction of armed rebels insurrecting a sovereign nation.
04-16-2011 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
So where are the fanboys of the invasion now?

I'm going to guess still insisting it's the right thing and prevented another Rwanda. I mean, you're against genocide, right?

I forget the next couple of steps. It ends with claims of hindsight bias and there's no way anybody could have foreseen that it would not turn out great. Just bad luck really, quit being results oriented.
04-16-2011 , 04:19 PM
If the people wanted to be safe, they could just go into thier homes. America is killing more civillians than Ghadaffi has recently
04-16-2011 , 04:22 PM
There was to be no genocide. How have the people flourished with all the previous attempts at extermination? There have been none, that's how.

All talks of genocide is propaganda to rally support for intervention.
04-16-2011 , 04:25 PM
We are normalized into thinking this colonialism is justified through false premises. Americans see this occupation as another way to reap war spoils
04-16-2011 , 04:49 PM
You can just cut and paste all the talking points in one post you know.
04-16-2011 , 04:51 PM
How did Moammar get an account here? Btw I do not like your dresses.
04-16-2011 , 04:52 PM
counterpunch.org
04-16-2011 , 05:06 PM
The use of oil revenues for natural resource development and social welfare is opposite what the West wants for that money. Rather, they want investment in stocks and arms.
Tripoli is international power that uses revenues productively for the people. Indiginous political movements vs armed western supplied insurrection of a sovereign nation
recognition of rebels is unprecedented. No media evidence of atrocities. No Ghadaffi killing civilians. No Ghadaffi bombing civilians.
USA using international responsibility to preventively protect.
BOMBING THE HELL OUT OF LIBYA. NOW KILLING CIVILIANS
04-16-2011 , 05:19 PM
SADLY WE WILL CONTINUE TO HUNT GHADAFFI UNTIL DEAD
PEOPLE SEE THE CORRELATION BETWEEN IRAQ AND LIBYA
DOES NOBODY SEE THE PATTERN?
COMPLETING MISSION=KILLING GHADAFFI
WE WENT IN FOR HUMANITARIAN REASONS
NO MEDIA EVIDENCE OF GHADAFI ATROCITIES
NO ONE CAN STOP USA MILITARY COMPLEX EXCEPT THE PEOPLE
BERNARD H LEVI STAKING CLAIM TO ISRAEL SHARE OF LIBYA'S RESOURCES
PHILOSOPHY OF EUROPEAN GUILT FROM WWII
04-16-2011 , 05:27 PM
It took you that long to get to TEH JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUIIIIICCCCCEEEEEEE?
04-16-2011 , 05:38 PM
BRING DEMOCRACY TO MID EAST THROUGH FORCE OF ARMS?
THIS WAR IS FISADE. A FARCE LIKE AFGHANISTAN
HOW ARE WE JUSTIFIED IN REGIME CHANGE OF SOVEREIGN COUNTRY?
MOSSAD ARE AFTER GHADAFFI
04-16-2011 , 06:57 PM
Friendly tip:

Your caps lock is on.
04-16-2011 , 06:57 PM
Libya is in Africa FYI.

      
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