Because companies like Blackwater don't exist? Seriously, with all the people in the world who want something done about this, hundreds of millions of dollars could be raised and used to support a private enterprises' efforts at removing Gadaffi. Instead we go "ohhh lets just steal from our neighbors and force soldiers who signed up to defend our country to go over there and risk their lives, its the easy way."

Contracts.

Although I agree with you that the military has more ways to enforce contracts, but this was known beforehand. Or are contracts not valid in ACland?

You'll have to be more specific - what are you talking about? Does this have to do with the fishing story?

Sure. If the fisherman signs a contract he needs to serve X amount of time on a ship can he leave at any moment in ACland?

So you really don't think stuff happening like this isn't BLATANTLY ****ING OBVIOUS when people sign contracts with the military? You think people in the military are now like "wtf, I never knew I would have to do stuff like this joining the military?" Of course not, don't be silly.

I thought you were all about voluntary contracts bro? They voluntarily signed up for this ****, that is clear to any sensible person.

DID NOT KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THIS, WILL GO STUDY UP NOW.

Who am I, the dictator of AC land?

If I was the boat owner, I wouldn't hold him as a slave. But then again, I'm not a psychopath.

Agreeing to join the US army implies more than your willingness to defend your country. It also implies that you are prepared to act in the interests of the US by following your superior's orders.

Although, if a person simply wants to defend his country without getting involed in foriegn conflicts, he should feel free to get some of his friends together and head on over to the boarder..

Here I was thinking they signed up to serve their country, not to defend Libya.

lol

No, he only supports voluntary contracts when it suits his purpose.

those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

fyp too

Blackwater has a navy and an airforce and AWACS and diplomatic support and legal right under international law and all the **** actually needed to save Benghazi now? They're really been investing since I last checked!

I have friends and family in the UK forces, and some in the US forces too, and I can tell you now he is dead wrong.

OK? Bombing Libya violates the US constitution, which that soldier has sworn to uphold.

All I'm saying is, these people have taken an oath in order to defend their country, we shouldn't be abusing them by trying to make them the policemen of the world.

Except that their contracts don't say that they don't have to go overseas and blow **** up. Foreign deployment is probably even specifically mentioned.

Paraphrasing Obamas speech in Brazil earlier..

'The operation is in the interest on the Libyan people, and in the interest of the United States of America.'

This is news to me. Cite?

when you're raised in a cult (and gov't really is a silly cult based on scriptures with monuments to re-inforce belief) and you're bombared with images on the tube, raised to salute the flag and pledge allegiance, told to adopt authority at youth, you do not necessarily appreciate your actions in signing a contract to join the military.

also, the military gives huge subsidies to entice the poor to join. when the gov't causes recessions and high unemployment, then they are more willing to join the gov't.

undeclared war is undeclared

Footnote 1: James Madison et al, The United States Constitution. Philadelphia 1787.

goodness me, I hope Obama doesn't say drowning themselves in the ocean is "in the interest of the USA", lest the soldiers find it necessary to comply?

I love that the two arguments against this are:

1, to fund the war we steal from taxpayers and that is wrong.
2, to fun the war we will be stealing their oil in the future and that is wrong.

lol please, the US has been exporting security and fighting wars without a direct threat to the US mainland for over 70 years now (probably since its founding tbh).

If someone signed up after Vietnam, Somalia, Kosovo, Bosnia, the first Gulf War, the Second Gulf War, and so on and so on thinking that he would only be fighting in response to a direct attack on the US mainland or something, then he's probably not in a fit mental state to sign a voluntary contract anyway, and it should be struck off due to his mental incapacity.

This **** has even been semi-codified with the Responsibility to Protect, previous norms for humanitarian intervention and so on.

Don't try and argue that people don't know about this **** when signing up.

Do you think that's likely

ITT we learn every single war the US has been in since the end of WW2 is unconstitutional.

ACism is all about letting people do stupid things if they want. Hey, you can take heroin/sell yourself into sex slavery/join the US army if you like, its not our fault if you didnt properly research your choice.

Do you apply this to corporate brainwashing and advertizing? OF COURSE YOU ****ING DON'T.

Hey maybe that guy who has been propaganzied into thinking he can afford that huge credit card bill didn't necessarily appreciate his actions when he signed the contact?

Please apply consistently and see where it takes you.