Yes the not-a-tinkerer thing seems to be completely false. Right-wing media gonna right-wing media.

Can you cite any of this crap you just made up in your head? The cops said he was not forthcoming about why he brought the clock to school and described him as uncooperative. That was the whole reason I was curious about this thing from the beginning. It just didn't seem to add up to me.

As a former taker-apart-er of all my electronic stuff growing up - I would have been glad to wax for hours about how and why I did it and what I learned (usually that said electronic item will not go back together properly). Yes I realize not everyone is the same. But if you bring something to school, it would seem you're proud of it, and would have some reason why you wanted to show it off.

To clear this up I was referring to how they feel about the daughter getting suspended which a lot of the articles talking the way you are about the subject are holding up as a reason they planned this. Had nothing to do with your posts.

Bear in mind we already have the position building ITT that the school gets the benefit of the doubt here to keep everyone safe. So one falsely accused kid -- school gets benefit of the doubt. Happens a second time? There's a PATTERN HERE. Oh, but not the one you think, like some backwards racist dickwads are cowardly bigotted asshats. Not that one.

The pattern suzzer et al are building is that once you get to the second innuendo campaign against the family, NOW there's probably some fire around the smoke, and the family is a bunch of potential degenerate political activists making white people feelbad for fun and scholarships.

This is such an unbelievably bizarre level of clock trutherism.
- cops described the kid they arrested and interrogated as a potential terrorist for bringing a clock to school as "uncooperative", so they're definitely telling the truth, we know cops would never lie about that
- second paragraph is basically taking the "I pulled myself up by the bootstraps as an advantaged white dude, why do minorities need welfare?" argument (suzzer messed with electronics, he and this kid are basically the same person) and applying it to a kid who, again, was arrested for being a Muslim who brought a clock to school and acting like you know what he should have been saying to police/teachers/etc at that point

You're acting like a kid who's proud that he solved the case in an Encyclopedia Brown book, except you didn't even get that part right.

Bro, the bolded are like the absolute implicit racism in your points here. How the **** should we or anyone else dispute his disposition? He "wasn't very forthcoming" because he repeatedly said over and over exactly what the ****ing thing was? He "clammed up" by telling the teachers and his authorities he did in fact build a clock, and it turned out it was a clock?

What would TRANSPARENCY look like you? This is ****ing galling. How is this kid supposed to win with you? According to you, the only thing this kid is saying is THE ABSOLUTELY TRUTH, and you're like, welp, gotta give the school the benefit of the doubt here, look how suspicious all his truth telling was. Most normal, non-racists actually have to catch the kid in a lie before calling him suspicious. You're calling him suspiciously for repeatedly telling THE TRUTH.

The **** bro? No, really, all the ****s. Like pretend you are his life coach and want him to get out of Suspicious Muslim Prison. What would you advise him to do? Because I'd like, dude, just tell them straight up what it is. Tell your teachers it's a clock, don't **** around with them. And according to you that's just what he did over and over. But like, all his succinct truth and accurate descriptions of what he built really distracted the cops from the complicated and confusing truth we all later discovered, which lined up perfectly with the simple thing he said he did? Like I can't even.

wait wut

details plz

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...maybe-1031945/

I think in suzzer's mind the kid was supposed to be like "look teachers, I know how bad this looks, I have in fact been playing with wires in a box, but really, it's a clock" instead of what the kid ostensibly said instead: "it's a clock." You can tell chiefsplanet has infected suzzer's brain with lizard thoughts where not being "forthcoming" and "clamming up" are only barely disguised euphemisms for "not apologizing for meddling with things Muslims ought not to be meddling with."

That means you and bobman. Everyone else thinks it was just a kid with a clock. Including seattlelou who thinks he was a tweaker with a clock.

I mean maybe she's lying out of her ass. But the bolded seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Personal insults are fun! Assert racism!

I need to quit this forum for a while. It really has become a circle jerk where you get lambasted on an ugly personal level if you go against accepted dogma.

Untrue, FoldnDark is...:

...arguing the school gets the benefit of the doubt and suzzer is arguing the family history of having some other daughter accused of nefarious Musliming near a school proves the family are deeply suspicious.

Meanwhile your response to DVaut's very accurate criticism of your own words has been to call him "delusional". Please, tell us more about high horses.

Late to the party, but please title containment thread A Clockwork Bombage.

I deleted that line about 30 seconds later. It's still nothing in the ball park of calling someone a racist.

Foldn said

He would not stake his life on it
Why did they think it was a bomb? There was some racism involved.
But, he's not prepared to come down on the teachers etc

!=

"NOW there's probably some fire around the smoke, and the family is a bunch of potential degenerate political activists making white people feelbad for fun and scholarships."

It is your and bobman's theory that the kid was a political activist intending for people to think it was a bomb.

Is there any report of the engineering teacher confirming that the kid showed him the clock and that he told the kid not to show it to anyone else? I'm assuming that the teacher has been ordered to not talk to any media.

If that's what happened and racial profiling of the sister and now brother were a pattern of harrassing this family, I hope the school officials lose their jobs. I don't know how we can conclude that yet given the information we have.

It goes to why the kid might have a beef with the school. The daughter obviously did.

What's interesting is that your argument, along with bobman's, has morphed from:

"You are a low-info racist for even suggesting this kid wasn't a naive science nerd unfairly racially profiled."

to:

"So what if he might have had some inkling what he was doing - you're still a racist."

Lol, did you not see the quotes?

It was literally:

"The student would only say that it was a clock and was not forthcoming at that time about any other details"
Police chief Wiggum

How more forthcoming should he be when speaking to a cop without legal representation or an adult there on his side?

He fully explained what it was. It was known why he brought it to school as they would have spoken to his engineering teacher. What other details did they want? Whether the sleep button activated his sleeper cell?

And again so what if he wasn't more cooperative? This doesn't make it suspicious, it just makes him seem smarter. First thing I'm teaching my kids when they get beyond primary school is cops aren't always your friends and to have a lawyer there to protect you. If I were Muslim every night I'd remind them after reading a chapter of Harry Potter but before I tuck them in.

People do have a really quick trigger finger in impugning motives.

You sound indistinguishable from someone who you've probably attacked in a similar manner in the voter ID thread who's just flabbergasted that favoring voter ID laws got them called racist here.

Unless I missed some posts in the middle, bobman and DVaut's posts were never saying "yeah suzzer's theory may have some truth to it." They were saying "even if you grant suzzer the benefit of the doubt, his posts are still abhorrent". Huge difference.

No one has denied that afaik.

The alarm apparently went off in English class and the teacher asked him to stay after school to explain himself.

The kid said he used the clock to wake up every morning. But he also said be built it the day before, which may have meant he took it apart the day before and put it in the case. Apparently also at some point he either purposely or inadvertently set it to go off during the English class.

I know I'm a huge racist scumbag ******* for even suggesting a 14-year-old would do something like that to mess with his teacher.

Yeah I know most 14-year-olds know to clam up w/o legal representation. That's just common sense.