That video is full of awesome.

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Since EliotR seems to think Double Eagle's quotation post was somehow profound, this was necessary.

From the first race-related article I found on dailykos. (note that Michael Steele, head of the GOP, is black)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9...-Man-Race-Card

"From a black man's perspective, "

"Clarence Thomas. His only qualification for Supreme Court Justice was that he was black. At least he knows enough to keep his mouth shut"

"Not only was he appointed because he was black, but his utter lack of qualification"

Strange, but from his track record I'd say Clarence Thomas it the ONLY person on the Supreme Court qualified to be there.

"While Stepn' Fetch may have made a buck off of Hollywood, his characters did nothing but advance the prevailing notion of "Negroes" as stupid and capricious. It is this same ingrained notion that fuels the vitriol at our President today and that sentiment was confirmed by former President Carter yesterday."

"Michael Steele really IS a sell-out"

"There is no way in Bosh Limbaugh's GOP that the likes of Michael Steele have any real say in the comings and goings of the party."

"I wasn't very happy with the Democratic Party pitting a white woman against a black man in this last primary. If they didn't know what was going to happen, they are incompetent. If they did know what was going to happen, they're *******s. Either way, I refused to vote for them this last time around. At least the Greens were smart enough to nominate both demographics in one person."

"Steele is a House Slave par excellence."

"Steele's job is to be the black conservative Obama "

"I just want to know if he's smart enough to know what they really think of him. If he does know, then he makes my lip curl.
If he doesn't, then I feel a little sorry for him. He must be bewildered..surely he senses he's not allowed to play in any reindeer games."

Well, I'm only about a fifth of the way through the comments, but I've proved my point and don't really need to go all the way through.

Dude, never mind the commenters. DE's posts show that right-wing opinion leaders like Limbaugh and Malkin are involved in stirring up this racist bull****. That's pretty much all we need to know imo since we already know that the number one goal of people like Limbaugh is to get ratings and he does that by telling his people what they want to hear. He believes that his people want to hear this crap, and I have no reason to doubt his ability to judge his audience. If you want to point to "liberal racism", fine, no problem, I'll condemn that too. But as to the question of whether the right wing in this country is using racist appeals to enflame opposition to Obama we are pretty much done.

Fine, much if not all of this is reprehensible. Unlike you, I am not going to try to defend it by pretending that it is all the work of "conservative trolls" or some other ridiculousness. The existence of this does not change the truth of the proposition that the right wing is using racist appeals to enflame opposition to Obama.

And this doesn't change the truth that the left wing is using race to deflect legitimate and correct criticism of Obama.

Maybe so, but if there weren't abundant proof of right-wing race baiting then this wouldn't be nearly so effective.

Of course. The right can't do it with their politicians directly like the left does, so someone has to do it. And none of them actually mean a word they're saying. It's all about preying on the stupidity of the masses on both sides.

I wasn't trying to say that a significant number of those posts were "liberal trolls". I was trying to make a point about relying on anonymous feedback on the Internet as evidence of anything.

Pointing out the racial motives and policies of Obama and those surrounding him is not stirring up anything, it is merely commenting on the racism being displayed by liberals, the administration and their supporters. If anybody is enflaming anything, it is those who are painting all opposition to Obama as racist.

This just in: The argument that the current level of vitriol (of which Congressman Wilson's outburst is one example) is being driven by racism/xenophobia which is being whipped up by conservative thought leaders =/= an argument that all opposition to Obama is racist. Can you put away that strawman for good please?

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nit: they might actually believe what they're saying, but (rock.jpg) it doesn't matter because as you say they're just preying on stupidity.

Insulting the vice president from the confines of your office does not equal violating the rules of the House, which is what Wilson was censured for. Nice strawman.

Lol, you really think that 95% of teabaggers think Rush is a douche for that statement?

Dunno, I never met a "tea bagger", I think that whole thing is a waste of time just like all political dissent in this country, so Ive never been to an event. 90% of people in this forum/in general are wasting breath (me included) by even arguing/thinking about politics. **** is never going to change, the only thing you can do to enact change is prepare yourself to be self-sufficient, and stay out of the system as much as possible, if enough people would actually do that we might see a revolution of power back to the citizens, but until you guys start doing this, **** it, Im not going to any protest.

No, not an exact fit. Nothing would be an exact fit.

You need to find out what strawman means.

Wilson broke the rules, sure. And what he did was also rude and out of line, and he did apologize later. However, it isn't racist, which was what this thread was about.

Well, what Carter actually said was:

And while I'm pretty sure he'd get some infraction points for that if he said that here, it's also true. Notice(AND THIS IS IMPORTANT), Carter is NOT TALKING ABOUT DISAGREEING WITH OBAMA. Mere disagreement with Obama can be caused by any number of factors.

He's talking about the animosity: the birther stuff, the Muslim stuff, the praying for his death stuff.

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He apologized to Obama for the insult; he never did apologize to the House for breaking their rules. Had he even taken 10 seconds out of his Monday minute to do so, there would have been no censure.

So what are your thoughts on Wilson having said that Thurmond's illegitimate daughter should have never come out and identified herself as his daughter, because doing so was "shameful"?

Surely there's nothing racist in Wilson telling a black woman that going public with her parentage by a white segregationist was a shameful act, no?

And since there was a great deal of animosity towards Bush, it can't be said that the animosity towards Obama is racist, besides those few people who actually are making racist signs and/or statements.

Wishing for Obama's death is probably not the right thing to do, but it's not necessarily racial. Plenty of people wanted to see Bush dead and wished for his death. Hating Obama is not racial, there's plenty of reasons for people to hate him besides his skin color.

I'm not making any excuses for Wilson for anything that he's done or said in the past, I'd never even heard of the guy before he shouted "you lie".

You can't play the game where we pretend all animosity is equal. Pacifists freaking out over Iraq(p.s. they were right lol, not that it ever seems to matter) is not the same as otherwise normal people believing that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. The peace stuff was because of something Bush DID, the birther stuff is something about WHO OBAMA IS.

I guess this might just be a "strictness of language" and "how subsets works" thing, and that's been hashed out in this thread already.

And the truther stuff was about:

[ ] Something Bush did
[ ] Who Bush is
[ ] Irrational hatred of Bush

I can certainly compare the two. You believe it isn't equal because you happen to agree with the "pacifists". I didn't have a problem with going into Iraq, as it was the natural and common sense thing to do. Opinions differ.

I'm not a birther and the criticism against Obama is not just from birthers, it is from people who strongly oppose Obama's policies.