Wow I know you're not much for "knowing what the **** you're talking about", but apparently now even trying to learn about the world outside your personal perceptions is racist.

Unadulterated white supremacy, though? Not racist.

Didn't you try to warn that nice UKIP fellow about Wookie using "racist" in a wild and unusual way?

Oh obviously nobody is telling you to go bother black people to learn "how to feel". What people are incredibly patiently trying to tell you, and I realize this goes against every instinct you have, is that instead of you talking about your opinion, sharing it from on high as BREAKING NEWS CHEZLAW HAS SPOKEN, you could just this once listen to other people's. No talking at all. Just listening. No "but 3 of the cops are black", no "but you're better off here than Africa", no "but if you think about it rioting is also bad"...


Chez, look, we all have something to bring to this discussion. But I think, from now on, the thing you should bring is silence.

wow indeed.

you're loosing it mate.

PASSOVER.

Black gang did unite to protect black owned businesses.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/28/re...-owned-stores/

There's a difference between saying that all white people should talk to some blacks before ever publicly professing an opinion on racial matters and saying that a specific white person appears to have flawed opinions that appear to have germinated in a lily-white bubble and might benefit from interacting with some black people. Arguably, people like Fly should be making it clear whether they think someone they are debating is in Column A or Column B or some alternate column.

A lot of businesses were passed over though.

15 of the 500000 or so buildings in Baltimore had fires.

Riots will not add to the average of about 20 people who die every year in fires in Baltimore.

No fatalities from the riots. I haven't seen any serious injuries.

For perspective, there were 3600 fires in the 1992 LA riots, 1968 Baltimore riots had 300 fires and 5 deaths, there were 89 fires set in the 2015 Ohio State Football riots because they won a game.

Fly is just being fly.

Our skin pigmentation doesn't stop us from understanding why any group of people (real or constructed) will have a serious problem with being discriminated against by the justice system etc. Only a racist or bigot could think that our skin pigmentation makes a difference - they are people just like all of us and should be treated just like all of us. Our skin pigmentation doesn't change the fact this needs to be addressed or for example make arguing for positive discrimination a less valid view - we all still have to take into account what people who have direct experience of this say and any evidence that has been gathered.

Cool story.

Tell us more about no-go zones pls.

Once again it seems the justice system is working just fine, this time in MD. Each case should be handled on its own merits. Ultimately a jury will decide whether the evidence in the case supports the charges. If it is a over-charge like in the Zimmerman case, the jury will not convict. If the evidence supports conviction, they will convict, this is as it should be.

But it shows that no amount of rioting, no amount of phony memes like the "hands up don't shoot" in MO, no amount of activist-created pressure to railroad, will change the final outcome. Juries take their job seriously and they get it right.

They got it right in MO, they got it right in FL, They got it right in NY. I'm sure they will get it right in the upcoming cases in MD, SC, and AZ.

And that's why I will probably be totally satisfied with the results in all of these upcoming cases when they come, because anyone who ends up convicted will be so based on legitimate evidence. We should all be happy about this.

lol abseeker

Just some real life satire.

It's a shame your replies are so undefined.

I don't know if you are laughing at our justice system or at a particular point in my post.

Modern forms of racism aren't limited to biology-based racist theories but are much more sophisticated. I operate using a definition of racism that includes the belief that African-Americans under-performance in a functioning meritocracy is deficient because black culture is an inferior culture that does not value hard work. This stereotype allows racists whites to believe that whites who receive public assistance are more deserving of aid than blacks who receive public assistance. These racists see blacks as culturally inclined towards violence and crime, so they are more willing to throw out labels like "thug" when talking about blacks rather than whites. They have a confirmation bias that is overly willing to accept racist policies and behavior if given the veneer of a logical-sounding justification that is not explicitly racist.

There are those who will just say "racism, ldo" and move on to treating someone like an incorrigible racist because a failure to recognize the "obvious" means that person is either too stupid to change or willfully racist and disingenuous about fair dialogue. I'm more willing to make an effort every once in a while to deconstruct what another person is thinking and identify what I think are flawed assumptions and definitions.

So do I and that is a form of racism that's objectionable.

But do any of us seriously need to ask our black neighbours if those racists are correct? 'Hi mate is your culture inferior?, are you all lazy?' What a ridiculous notion.

Next Fly will be saying we have to ask 'black' people if they think 'black' people mind being killed by the police? - maybe Fly is worried that it's just a 'white' thing.

I agree. Not just flawed assumptions and talking past each other but also as you alluded to, addressing attitudes that can change.

When someone shows clear signs of that form of racism, I think it is reasonable to wonder if they have come by their opinions without any real social interaction with black people.

You're watching way to much Fox. I'm starting to worry you will get a brain cancer or something.

I watch for the lols obv. Twitter is where to get the real news.

I think a conclusion from that reasoning is thin. A factor in racism is intention. An accidental racist who has bought a package of knowledge that doesn't preclude interacting with black people, but rather the prejudice is on certain neighborhoods, urbanity, and class. They don't think they are racist, but are just judging people based on misperceptions and convictions about values like work ethic. No intention to be a racist or hold down blacks.

You describe the intentional racist that sold this package. Like that punishing monkeys experiment, they turn dupes into teachers of dupes. And with this comes a big trick. By taking race out of the equation and replacing it with other more subtle prejudice, the dupes have this veneer of innocence and a sincere reason to feel defensive.

This is not the only way people end up implicitly racist either. They may just dislike their neighbors music and form a stupid racial prejudice based on that, unless they get opportunities to know better.

Nothing wrong with wondering and sometimes it will be true, and some of this group will change their attitudes easily when exposed to diverse people and ideas.

It becomes less of a problem with education and exposure to diverse groups holding positions in society.

People can be racist without intending to be racist. The theory of modern/symbolic racism is that this form of racism is indirect and can be subconscious. A person can believe that they are not racist because they oppose old-fashioned Jim Crow-style racism, yet are still racist.

Sounds like a good 30 for 30.

Don Lemon seems perplexed that people are breaking the curfew.

However just being ignorant of people's circumstance is not racist. Privilege comes into play. " it's not happening to me, it's not my problem. It's not race, It's just like uncle Rand said, parenting. "

Sometimes it's prejudice, sometimes it's just privilege.

yup

Abolish curfews.