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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

04-28-2015 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Who am I even defending, ikes?
You're defending a system where police unions cozy up to local governments which allows them to create rules that allow them to get away with murder.
04-28-2015 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
You're defending a system where police unions cozy up to local governments which allows them to create rules that allow them to get away with murder.
Lol, try again.
04-28-2015 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Lol, try again.
lol, nailed it. Hey though, you can always keep lying about what I said about expelling suspected rapists from school. I'm sure you can get goofy to give ya a quick tug at least.

In the meantime, the system that created these rules that cops benefit from will stand. You'll complain about civil rights and how racism is so bad, but you won't actually offer up a proposal that can bring immediate real change. Some real hot takes will be thrown at obvious racists though, and you can feel superior for a while knowing that you're less racist than that guy. #CHANGEWECANBELIEVEIN
04-28-2015 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I fully expect someone to jump in and talk to braves about the incorrect usage of race baiter here.....
The problem with that is, not many people here can speak credibly about race.
04-28-2015 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lol, nailed it. Hey though, you can always keep lying about what I said about expelling suspected rapists from school. I'm sure you can get goofy to give ya a quick tug at least.

In the meantime, the system that created these rules that cops benefit from will stand. You'll complain about civil rights and how racism is so bad, but you won't actually offer up a proposal that can bring immediate real change. Some real hot takes will be thrown at obvious racists though, and you can feel superior for a while knowing that you're less racist than that guy. #CHANGEWECANBELIEVEIN
Do you know cops vote?
04-28-2015 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lol, nailed it. Hey though, you can always keep lying about what I said about expelling suspected rapists from school. I'm sure you can get goofy to give ya a quick tug at least.

In the meantime, the system that created these rules that cops benefit from will stand. You'll complain about civil rights and how racism is so bad, but you won't actually offer up a proposal that can bring immediate real change. Some real hot takes will be thrown at obvious racists though, and you can feel superior for a while knowing that you're less racist than that guy. #CHANGEWECANBELIEVEIN
Lol. How about we start with what got started in Ferguson, and what has produced results in Los Angeles. How about we continue to laugh at your assertion that busting unions is a panacea, and how you want us to believe that it comes from anywhere but a desire to score cheap points for a pet cause only tangentially related to this issue.
04-28-2015 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by braves2017
Because of people like you.

Its fed into the black minds they were the victim of slavery, Jim crow laws and such. While it's true black people were victim to those things its not these black people.
Why do they believe people like me and not people like you? Is it just that I know how to use punctuation?
04-28-2015 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Lol. How about we start with what got started in Ferguson, and what has produced results in Los Angeles. How about we continue to laugh at your assertion that busting unions is a panacea, and how you want us to believe that it comes from anywhere but a desire to score cheap points for a pet cause only tangentially related to this issue.
Tangentially related

How cops get away with abuse is tangentially related to abuse guys!
04-28-2015 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
You're defending a system where police unions cozy up to local governments which allows them to create rules that allow them to get away with murder.
I think we're all still waiting to hear how the unions do that. Are judges and DAs in the union? Are juries? Hell, cops killing blacks can't even make it to a jury, so maybe it's grand juries that are dues paying members.

Are you?
04-28-2015 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by braves2017
Because of people like you.

Its fed into the black minds they were the victim of slavery, Jim crow laws and such. While it's true black people were victim to those things its not these black people. You see how that works? You think race automatically gives someone an identity. People like you feed it into other peoples minds they were the victims of these transgressions but the truth be told, it's unlikely the vast majority of black people will become victims to cops and that number gets drastically reduced if you do not engage in criminal behavior.

With that said, you race-baiters look at a person with white skin and see a slave master from 200 years ago and you spread this stereotype around and it obviously creates mistrust. The problem you have with that is, its not the same person it was 200 years ago just like its not the same black person being a victim of jim crow laws 60 years ago.

This does not go to say this incident should not be looked at with scorn and dismay but to riot shows the ignorance to which the people rioting are. I'd be willing to bet majority of the people involved in the riots had no previous criminal record......so forgive me if I do not empathize with their frustration over what's not happening to them.

You can call me racist all you want guy....everyone with a half of brain knows you are the real racist in the herd. I mean, after all, you prejudge all white cops and white people for that matter. There is not a single person I've judged based on race in my entire life, I know you cant say the same.
You just prejudged black people as being incapable of thinking for themselves, so there's that.
04-28-2015 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Why do they believe people like me and not people like you? Is it just that I know how to use punctuation?
Why do people drink soda instead of water? Marxism sounds good to a lot of people when they first hear it.
04-28-2015 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You just prejudged black people as being incapable of thinking for themselves, so there's that.
No, I prejudge most people for that when they react irrationally, skin color have nothing to do with it (that's not really prejudging). Nice try though. I did not even say most of the black people subscribed to this bull****, I just said it was fed to them. I would bet the rioters were a small minority of the population of the city of Baltimore. I was judging the rioters based on the context of the question" why did they riot?" I caught you being disingenuous yet again.
04-28-2015 , 06:40 PM
Oh and wookie, you want to talk about the LAPD? Guess what happened there?

The feds came in and forced them to rework their disciplinary procedures (amongst a whole bunch of other things). Why can't we setup standards like that for everyone?
04-28-2015 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I think we're all still waiting to hear how the unions do that. Are judges and DAs in the union? Are juries? Hell, cops killing blacks can't even make it to a jury, so maybe it's grand juries that are dues paying members.

Are you?
I'm not making the mistake of thinking you're asking an honest question, but just in case someone else is reading:

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This is the way cop, and all unions, work. The union negotiates on behalf of employees, seeking higher pay, better work conditions, and more job protections. In the private sector, on the other side of the negotiating table is the employer, who is seeking, generally speaking, lower costs and higher profits. Both sides need each other in a specific sense: employers need capable employees to keep their businesses running, employees need profitable employers so that they can continue to have jobs. Absent government intervention, these two sides almost always reach a mutually agreeable conclusion. A decent contract benefits the employees and the employers.

That relationship is fundamentally different in the case of public sector unions. As is its role, the public union negotiates for higher pay, better work conditions, and more job protections. But on the other side, the "employer" (theoretically local residents/taxpayers) is represented by the local government. The local government may be interested in a modicum of fiscal restraint because it has a budget to more or less balance. But local government officials have other interests, like securing the support of politically powerful public unions to raise money and win elections. Public unions and government officials, then, don't have the kind of adversarial but mutually-beneficial relationship that makes private union negotiations work. Instead, they are incentivized to cooperate to each other's benefit, at the expense of taxpayers, who foot the bill for the contract goodies and later from any wrongdoing the contract demands is defended.
04-28-2015 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by braves2017
Why do people drink soda instead of water? Marxism sound good to a lot of people when they first hear it.
People drink soda instead of water because it tastes better than water.

I don't follow the Marxism comment. Nothing you're saying has anything to do with Marxism.

Let me write very simply.

According to you, the police do not mistreat blacks, and blacks are in fact not the victim of racism. When you tell them this, which should be consistent with their personal lives, they don't believe you. When I tell them otherwise, which is NOT what they've actually experienced, they believe me?

So try again. Why do they believe me over not just their own eyes, but also you, a man who seems to believe he is intelligent and well informed?
04-28-2015 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
People drink soda instead of water because it tastes better than water.

I don't follow the Marxism comment. Nothing you're saying has anything to do with Marxism.
You have no idea that your ideology falls exactly in line with Marxism.



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According to you, the police do not mistreat blacks, and blacks are in fact not the victim of racism.
When you deliberately choose to distort my words to fit into your twisted little narrative its kind of pointless to continue.

Spoiler:
hint: never said they did not mistreat blacks and did not say blacks were not the victim of racism. This is why these riots happen. Your dishonest distortion of my words is despicable and there are 1000 dishonest people like you out there and only a few honest people like me.
04-28-2015 , 06:49 PM
Consider for a moment the other alternative. That they are angry for a reason, not because of outside ****ing agitators you have to be ****ing ****ting me.
04-28-2015 , 06:52 PM
I guess we're going to have to add Marxism to the ever-growing list of words that braves doesn't understand.
04-28-2015 , 06:53 PM
braves I'm assuming you're about 17 so let me pull you aside and clue you in to something real important. Nobody gives a **** about your opinions that you've noodled up sitting in your parent's house. Fairy tales you tell yourself about how the cops and good and cool and #actually racism is a liberal hoax might seem groundbreaking to you, but are actually old hat on the internet.

Read a ****ing book or two. Learn something about the world(for example, Jim Crow ended in the 60s, not the 50s). Learn to write like an educated adult. Then and only then will your beliefs get the respect you appear to believe they deserve.
04-28-2015 , 06:55 PM
Oh wow someone who has definite opinions on the souls of black people and don't know what Marxism is, I was caught unawares by this sudden surprise.
04-28-2015 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Oh and wookie, you want to talk about the LAPD? Guess what happened there?

The feds came in and forced them to rework their disciplinary procedures (amongst a whole bunch of other things). Why can't we setup standards like that for everyone?
Lol ikes. Never once have I said I approved of the disciplinary status quo, or that the changes that occurred in LA didn't include or should not have included changes in disciplinary policy. Keep on lying, though.
04-28-2015 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Consider for a moment the other alternative. That they are angry for a reason, not because of outside ****ing agitators you have to be ****ing ****ting me.
That makes a lot more sense than rioting over a relatively small number of deaths. In case you missed it, not too many people get killed by cops relative to the population, not even black people and even more unlikely you will be killed if you are not engaged in criminal activity. If I understand you correctly, they are angry about stuff that is not happening to them personally but to a small number of people who share their same skin color?
04-28-2015 , 06:59 PM
They aren't just rioting over the people who got killed. And not all of the people who got killed were involved in criminal activity.
04-28-2015 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by braves2017
That makes a lot more sense than rioting over a relatively small number of deaths. In case you missed it, not too many people get killed by cops relative to the population, not even black people and even more unlikely you will be killed if you are not engaged in criminal activity. If I understand you correctly, they are angry about stuff that is not happening to them personally but to a small number of people who share their same skin color?

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Monday’s riots in Charm City mark the end of an era where black outrage can be mollified by greater representation while stark inequalities persist. Today Baltimore has a black mayor, black police commissioner, and a police force evenly divided between black and white officers. Baltimore is no Ferguson, Missouri, a majority black city where black residents were inexplicably shut out of the city government, business elite, and police force. Instead of a beacon of hope, black representation has become a bitterly ironic symbol of how little has changed.

Yet Baltimore still erupted this week, a casualty of America’s unearned optimism about our own progress against racism and poverty, and the longstanding strategy of integrating blacks into a power structure that nevertheless upholds stark racial inequalities. In the history of black urban uprisings, Baltimore is one of very few cities that burned despite substantial black representation in the city government and police force. And that bodes ill for the belief that harmony can be achieved by elevating a few blacks to positions of power within a system that leaves so many impoverished. American cities cannot avoid unrest by simply placing black people at the helm, as long as progress for so many is ephemeral. An unjust system remains unjust no matter the ethnicity of its caretakers.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/b...ldqpgc#4ldqpgc
04-28-2015 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
braves I'm assuming you're about 17 so let me pull you aside and clue you in to something real important. Nobody gives a **** about your opinions that you've noodled up sitting in your parent's house. Fairy tales you tell yourself about how the cops and good and cool and #actually racism is a liberal hoax might seem groundbreaking to you, but are actually old hat on the internet.

Read a ****ing book or two. Learn something about the world(for example, Jim Crow ended in the 60s, not the 50s). Learn to write like an educated adult. Then and only then will your beliefs get the respect you appear to believe they deserve.
Well, when you can paraphrase my words honestly, I'd be sure to take what you have to say under advisement but that probably wont happen, so, you can pretty much go on calling me a racist and pushing your cognitive dissonance upon others, I could give a damn. I do not have to distort your words. You have to distort mine. Look in the mirror kid.

      
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