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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

07-07-2016 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
reminds me of the "where are all the muslims condemning terrorists" bit
07-07-2016 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I don't know what the right word is but coward doesn't seem strong enough.
I don't mean coward in the way that people use coward as a generic insult. I think it's the most important factor. These police are terrified, and especially of Black people. It's why their finger is on the trigger so quickly.
07-07-2016 , 11:10 AM
Yeah seems most likely this cop told the guy to pull out his ID, then panicked and thought he told him to take his hands up. Racism is mostly driven by fear.
07-07-2016 , 11:10 AM
I think the culture among cops is worse than ever because of their militarization. A wall is up between the cops and communities, especially the Black communities. It fosters dehumanization. The cops have an attitude so incredibly hyper-focused on their safety that it leads to hails of bullets when people reach for their cell phones.

Yes, cops need to be prosecuted so they don't have a feeling of immunity, but more than that, they need to stop acting like an occupying force. They need to get out of their cars, peel off their layers of bullet proof clothing, keep their hands off their guns when they are talking to citizens and be part of the communities.
07-07-2016 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I don't mean coward in the way that people use coward as a generic insult. I think it's the most important factor. These police are terrified, and especially of Black people. It's why their finger is on the trigger so quickly.
I am pretty sure Falcon heights is a very safe, mostly-white suburb, correct? I get the impression some of these small-town cops just want an easy, secure job with good benefits - but are scared to death of actually doing anything remotely dangerous. Like they are totally untrained and/or psychologically unfit for the career they chose.

I just can't imagine this cop in an actual dangerous situation, with an actual armed criminal. Does he just start shooting into the crowd randomly?
07-07-2016 , 11:14 AM


Yet somehow this guy lives. Hold on a second there sir, let's just calm down.
07-07-2016 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
Fly,
Solid coward here. Armed people get cooperation from me.

And I do expect law enforcement to act properly if they don't get cooperation. Still, it's still possible Sterling was killed by incompetence, justifiable circumstance, indifference, or malice. In that order of likeliness.
Funny how we have endless youtoobs of white people not acting properly with law enforcement and somehow not ending up executed. But hey, I'm sure if you just informed the black community that they should comply with the police, we would avoid all of these executions.
07-07-2016 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Yet somehow this guy lives. Hold on a second there sir, let's just calm down.
Do you have a link to the story where this same cop kills and unarmed black man in a similar situation because if not I can't see how that picture is remotely relevant
07-07-2016 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think the culture among cops is worse than ever because of their militarization. A wall is up between the cops and communities, especially the Black communities. It fosters dehumanization. The cops have an attitude so incredibly hyper-focused on their safety that it leads to hails of bullets when people reach for their cell phones.

Yes, cops need to be prosecuted so they don't have a feeling of immunity, but more than that, they need to stop acting like an occupying force. They need to get out of their cars, peel off their layers of bullet proof clothing, keep their hands off their guns when they are talking to citizens and be part of the communities.
This. Even at local Friday night high school football games the police that are there for security are not in normal police uniforms. They are wearing camo, combat boots, and body armor.
07-07-2016 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by reztes757
Do you have a link to the story where this same cop kills and unarmed black man in a similar situation because if not I can't see how that picture is remotely relevant
What? The relevance is that if this dude was black with his hand on his gun in front of a cop, he's probably dead before this picture can even be taken.
07-07-2016 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
This. Even at local Friday night high school football games the police that are there for security are not in normal police uniforms. They are wearing camo, combat boots, and body armor.
Cops want the benefit of the doubt for "putting their lives on the line" out there to protect us, but yeah, they can't even do off-duty security work without looking like Robocop and every couple of weeks they kill a black guy because they "got scared".

It's unacceptable. The culture needs to change. We wouldn't accept this **** from a fireman, "Yo man I really did want to go into that house and save your child, but as I got close I noticed that **** was ON FIRE and I was afraid I'd get burned".
07-07-2016 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PoBoy321
LA is an open carry state. He was well within his rights to have that gun. Now, can you imagine any conceivable reason why Alton Sterling would be shot and killed, and these guys wouldn't?

Oblivious person from UK here... this isn't a real photo of everyday life right?
07-07-2016 , 11:26 AM
Oh it's real. Red states ftw. I've seen that fedora guy in a few of these. He seems to be something of a camera hog.
07-07-2016 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
What? The relevance is that if this dude was black with his hand on his gun in front of a cop, he's probably dead before this picture can even be taken.
So in your dream world every cop that sees a black man with a gun gets shot.
07-07-2016 , 11:28 AM
What in the living **** are you talking about? So we've moved from unarmed black guy to all armed black guys - somehow making a difference on this yahoo not being shot. Your responses are so incoherent I honestly can't figure out your point. You realize t-shirt guy is not a cop right?

Hint: the hand on the gun is the key here.
07-07-2016 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Cops want the benefit of the doubt for "putting their lives on the line" out there to protect us, but yeah, they can't even do off-duty security work without looking like Robocop and every couple of weeks they kill a black guy because they "got scared".

It's unacceptable. The culture needs to change. We wouldn't accept this **** from a fireman, "Yo man I really did want to go into that house and save your child, but as I got close I noticed that **** was ON FIRE and I was afraid I'd get burned".
Why don't you become a police officer then and start changing your community instead of ranting on an Internet forum all day long solving absolutely nothing?
07-07-2016 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
What in the living **** are you talking about? The hand on the gun is the key here.
You have no idea what is going on there. They are on a beach in the middle of the day. One still picture of a white guy touching holstered gun isn't making any kind of point
07-07-2016 , 11:31 AM
reztes- LOL what. I can't criticize the police unless I personally am a cop? Man these Trump voters have some A+ persuasion skills, three sigma A-B testing.
07-07-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
My wife posted something about Alton Sterling on Facebook and the one police officer we are friends with immediately starts listing the guy's criminal history. I wonder how much this is being perpetuated from the top down and how much of it is just racist cowards becoming police officers; would be very curious to hear his employer's opinion on the matter.
Depending on the department, cops can get in trouble for making the department look bad on Facebook, particularly if they are accessing the LEEDS database to do it. If he was posting info that wasn't publicly available, he's in trouble if you want him to be.

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Originally Posted by revots33
I am pretty sure Falcon heights is a very safe, mostly-white suburb, correct?
The girlfriend was from there, but that's not where the shooting was. She said it was the RoseSomething department.

Last edited by iron81; 07-07-2016 at 11:37 AM.
07-07-2016 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Patak32
Oblivious person from UK here... this isn't a real photo of everyday life right?
These are open carry activists. Just sort of nutjobs who walk around in broad daylight carrying long barrel weapons to antagonize police and intimidate people around them. Of course, in the US, they're pretty safe because they're white. When black people have toy guns in the same situations, cops shoot first and ask questions later.
07-07-2016 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by reztes757
You have no idea what is going on there. They are on a beach in the middle of the day. One still picture of a white guy touching holstered gun isn't making any kind of point
Yeah well fortunately the rest of the world isn't as obtuse/raise by wolves as you.

No one seriously thinks a black guy would live through that. Feel free to show me evidence of a black guy open-carrying in front of a cop with his hand on his gun in a threatening manner, and the cop is just saying like "woah, let's slow down there champ".

07-07-2016 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
reztes- LOL what. I can't criticize the police unless I personally am a cop? Man these Trump voters have some A+ persuasion skills, three sigma A-B testing.
Criticize all you want. Nothing changes. I was offering you a solution to start changing things you want changed in your community
07-07-2016 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah well fortunately the rest of the world isn't as obtuse/raise by wolves as you.

No one seriously thinks a black guy would live through that. Feel free to show me evidence of a black guy open-carrying in front of a cop with his hand on his gun in a threatening manner, and the cop is just saying like "woah, let's slow down there champ".

Your probably right. That situation has never happened with a black man and if it did he's probably dead. There can't possibly be
07-07-2016 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by reztes757
You have no idea what is going on there. They are on a beach in the middle of the day. One still picture of a white guy touching holstered gun isn't making any kind of point
Lol what does "on a beach" or "in the middle of the day" have to do with anything?

That guy seems a lot more dangerous than Tamir Rice, no?

FWIW I support the police in general and think there are many good ones. Who knows, maybe the cop in this pic is one of them. But that doesn't mean there aren't bad ones also, as recent news shows.

The only way to fix this is to start putting the bad ones in jail when they murder innocent people, instead of instinctively trying to cover it up. You can only imagine the "official story" had there been no video or witnesses to this Minnesota shooting.
07-07-2016 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by reztes757
Your probably right. That situation has never happened with a black man and if it did he's probably dead. There can't possibly be
Reztes apparently stroked out in anger about the idea black people getting executed just might be because of racism before he could finish his thought.

      
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