Literally every one of those issues existed before the drug war

Police committed all of those abuses long before the Controlled Substances Act.

Not sure somebody got the right message from The Wire.

wookie and others still fighting the "good fight" trying to prove racism is the primary reason minorities are targeted by cops by only using skin color. Its like the only thing he cares about.

Its kind of funny. You use this one instance in Baltimore as a rallying cry and there is still no evidence race was factor in this guys death.


This comparison only work if you pretend societal views on race is the same as it was before the Controlled Substance Act. That illogical leap of faith is easy for you to believe as most who share your views believe a man from the 1840's is the same man today, case in point:




Many of you probably think this is a logically coherent cartoon yet its absurd at a face value because obviously the man from slavery is different from the man today in reality but depicted as the same based on nothing more than skin color but I digress again, keep pretending people are the same because they share the same skin color. Keep living in the 60's and 70's thinking this issue is about race when in reality it has has significantly more to do with socioeconomic status and, quite frankly, the drug war than what you and others harp on over and over again. Racism created the problem, we are all aware, but its not the reason it persist. At this point you and your friends agenda only hinders more effective progress by basically chasing a red herring. Now attack me for calling racism a proverbial red herring and miss my point completely, i.e. priorities of work tells us to establish the importance or value of what needs to get done, i.e. equality...you think cops beat up blacks because they are black and this can be shown it is not the case in a significantly large way by the many, many other valid correlations as opposed to your reliance on only skin color. You focus on racism almost 100% of the time and the people with your views aren't solving much. Now I'm going to take another month off and come back and it will be the same story.

Braves,

When did racism end?

This thread exists not because police brutality is happening, but because its happening at an accelerated rate. Of course there were cases of police brutality and shootings prior to the Controlled Substances act, but that doesn't mean the drug war didn't exacerbate things. I guess you're trying to get me to say that the brutality is happening because racism. Just racism. No other reasons. No drug war environment for racism to thrive in is necessary. The racism just exists in the hearts of evil evil men and must be rooted out.

I don't get it, I thought progressives were against the drug war. I kind of expected this to be the one thing we could all agree upon.

Straw man. DUCY?

I am going to need a citation that police brutality is increasing, especially when compared to the Jim Crow South.

oh god make it stop

I actually tried to find per capita brutality cases by year since 1970 but had no luck. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but it seems intuitively obvious that drug war would correlate with brutality volume.

Looking at brutality cases is a poor metric, DUCY?

Would any stat be reliable really? I guess something like homicides-by-police couldn't be biased. A homicide is a homicide regardless of whether it was justified. Anyway I'm done with stat digging for today, if someone wants to hunt that down I'd be happy to see it.

this thread exist because a black man was beat up, it would not exist if a man got beat up. For the masses it has nothing to do with police brutality but only the fact the brutally occurs at a disproportionate rate between races. That's what they care about.

EDIT: Oh and the absurd "correlation equaling causation using only skin color" opinions that is repeated over and over again...

Uh, doesn't the fact that the cops target minorities kind of prove the racism bit?

It's so weird that someone who totes for sure hates cops just the most is surprisingly sanguine about those times they maybe sort of kill unarmed people.

"correlation equaling causation using only skin color". Just proves cops target minorities disproportionately. I can list off several other more likely reasons they are disproportionately targeted:

socioeconomic status.

In a high crime area (minorities are more likely to live in a high crime area, not to mean they are more likely to be criminals)

actually doing something criminal since they are disproportionately impoverished.

associating with known criminals since they live in a high crime area, they may know more criminals just because they grew up with people who became criminals.


All you have is skin color. I'm sorry but if we are going to operate on correlations we need more than just identifying skin color of those involved in order to associate it to a cause. This same singular correlation you are making others use to validate racial profiling and many, many other racist policies.

It never will because hate is easy to teach amongst the ill informed.

Can u give some possible examples of why minorities are targeted disproportionately that isn't racist?

Oh u ninja edited

Total Union deaths in the Civil War: ~364,000(~40,000 of these were black)

Total number of slaves who died in the middle passage: ~2 million

But 2 out of ur 3 examples are pretty racist and the third example has been controlled for in studies posted up thread I believe.

They are disproportionately poor.

But similarly poor whites are not targeted at the same rates

Its not really. The disproportionate gaps exist because of oppression/racism. It does not persist because of racism. Just as an example look at poverty figures since the passage of the CRA of 1964. If you notice the poverty figures fluctuate the same direction irrelevant of race and largely correspond with the US economic conditions of the time. This is just an easy to understand example to demonstrate that gap exist and persist at the same rate. Its hovered around 30% for since the late 60's early 70's. I do not think anyone can make a credible argument that race relations in this country have gotten worse or stayed the same in the last 40 years (anecdotal: they revoked a white billionaires NBA team for simply saying something racist).

If racism was the primary factor in this gaps persistence, you will see wildly different ratios at any given time and its flucations would not correspond with white fluctuations in the same direction. It must be noted that poverty rates spike harder than whites and this is caused by a lower total number of minorities, i.e. as an example: it takes 100 white people to move the needle and only takes ten black people.

Finally, the tl:dr response is disproportionate ratios does not mean something is racist.

This is why your straw man was so annoying. I do not disagree racism is a factor but is touted as the most important one to combat. What has yelling about racism accomplished in the past ten years other than ostracize and rile people up? The disproportionate gap still exist and has not changed much for several decades despite a more favorable and tolerant society and more yelling about it from you guys. I know progress is slow but nothings been accomplished by doing this and you def are not making the gap smaller.