How ****ing magnanimous

The drug war is a harmful act of racism. It can't be worse because it is simply the result of it.

The drug war is essentially a racism delivery method. There's other stuff that's bad about it, but it's functionally a way to criminalize people of color. The crack/coke sentencing guidelines being the most obvious example of this.

Look at the failure of prohibition and the decriminalization of weed, we're generally pretty cool with how white people like to get bent.

Which one of us has said racism isn't a factor? The issue we have is that its not the biggest factor. There are many variables in play, however you and every other 2nd year college student thinks the same way - that an injustice happened only due to skin color.

Some of us realize that people will dislike you for a myriad of reasons : religion, height, looks, wealth, personality or skin color. The issue is that people like you focus only on one of the many reasons. Unfortunately I'd have to agree that skin color, in our society (all things bring equal) matters the most.

But that can be overcome.

Don't use the crack/coke sentencing differences as your example. I used to regularly attend community meetings in the police precincts in the '80's when crack showed up. I remember thinking that I'd never have believed that I would want the good old heroin addicts back. At least they went to sleep after a while but crack was causing havoc. At any rate it was the community activists themselves that demanded tougher enforcement laws. Of course nobody foresaw that black drug dealers would get treated so much worse than white ones bec their (lesser amount by weight) sales were in the form of crack rather than powder.

It sad you do not understand you and your cool kids are the true racist in the world today.


Only if you manipulate the definition of "racist". The drug war is discriminatory based on a number of factors that lead to the disproportionate number of minorities incarcerated only one of which is racism, yet this is the only one you focus on and if anyone brings up anything other cause, such as economic maladies, you call them racist. That is idiotic reasoning.


Yes there is. Its limited by time. Besides this is not just limited to the internet. For the last several years when ever discussions about the issues where minorities have a disproportionate worse end to the stick, 90% of the time is dedicated to racism when in reality its maybe 10% of the problem.

It's the same problem as I've laid out twice before for and you've yet to really acknowledge. You and others constant equivocation of a racial disparity then automatically target/assume racism as the cause and you base this off interpretation only using one variable, skin color. This focus for the past several years have not lessened the gap one iota.



Straw man DUCY? No one is saying it should be prohibited. Further, you call it racist....yet cant provide evidence in majority of these cases race was a factor in how the situation evolved. You only look at one variable almost exclusively, the race of the individual involved and ignore everything else. This is why this thread has numerous citations of studies or stats broken down by race and you use it aide in your confirmation bias.

Why do you ignore the reasons I give and create your own absurd reasons in its place? I've repeatedly stated why your incessant talk about racism accomplishes nothing. Racism is not one of the significant reasons why these disproportional racial gaps persist.



Keep harping on this and watch it do absolutely nothing towards reducing the disparities between race in society.

This is comical. You talk about economic oppression you get called a racist....it like the only thing you can talk about when discussing the plunder of black people with out being called a racist, is how bad the racism is. I mean look how you trivialized the suggestions concerning the drug war. You concoct some ulterior motive despite the rationale being explicitly explained to you but blatantly ignore it and say this bull**** and call us racist. If you talk about any other potential solution or reason other than racism, your comments are ignored and ulterior ones created and you are called a racist. The problem is on your end since you and others only consider only a single aspect while trivializing and ridiculing the rest.

I bet you have no idea that parental influence has significantly more influence and impact on a persons life than the racism you like to talk about....

If a parent went to jail you are 8 times more likely to go to jail yourself. If you were born to teen parents you are more likely to give birth as a teen parent. If your parents were poor you are more likely to be poor. The list goes on and on again and all you blabber about is racism this, racism that despite almost all of these issue disproportionately affect minorities. The evidence is overwhelmingly suggesting these gaps persist because of generational socioeconomic reasons rather than racism.

Your ignorance on how racism is proliferated is astounding because none of that addresses how it manifest.

Can anyone else translate this from spankese into English? I've given up.

Its rather easy to understand if you have any sort of depth to your thinking ability.

Your ideas on racism will do nothing to prevent or stop racism from persisting or existing because they do nothing to address the reasons it persist or exist. Your ideas only serve a superficial purpose and that is to make it seem like you, as part of a white majority, are making a difference in correcting the past sins/behaviors of your race.

The argument "drug war is racist" is absurd on so many levels and almost always when that statement is made there is a complete ignorance to the crack epidemic that occurred in the 80's and the motivation behind those laws to which race was not a factor. Because harsher crack laws impacted black people more does not necessarily make it racist. The reason why crack laws impact blacks more than any other racial group is because more black people use the drug. It's similar to the one we are experiencing with meth and heroine today and the same mistakes of the 80's are being made...

As an example:

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/fi...02/table34.pdf


https://www.google.com/search?q=disp...ethamphetamine


Its a forgone conclusion that tougher meth laws will disproportionately impact white persons and it would not be racist or discriminatory but rather a result of the circumstances that lead white people to use meth as with black people using crack which are mostly cultural and have nothing to do with racism.

90% of wealth is destroyed by the third generation. There is significantly more poor white people than all poor minorities combined. This is a bull**** argument. The rich white elites would be rich white elites regardless of racism/slavery/discrimination. Not surprising not a single cool kid has disputed your ridiculous assertions, they'd obviously let you perpetuate this myth.

Are you really that stupid to think rich people would not get rich if it weren't for the minorities? Those rich white elitist would be rich either way.

Someone had to choose to make crack penalties harsher than powder, though. It wasn't just an unfortunate accident. A bunch of people had to get together and write a law that treated two different preparations of exactly the same drug in vastly different manners. There is no reason to do this unless you want to punish black people more for doing the same thing. Even if you want to argue that these lawmakers don't feel a personal burning hatred at every black person, electing to disproportionately punish black people for committing chemically the same crime is racist by any reasonable definition.

Well, I guess you spotted your bull**** yourself, but raw tallies about numbers of white people vs. black people is indeed a bull**** argument. Liberals favor policies like the EITC, SNAP, and TANF that help out poor whites, too.

Uh, yes, racist housing policies have had a profound impact on white wealth. They make it easier for white people to get favorable loans and they artificially boost white home values.

Isn't it against the law to discriminate loans based on race?

Yes, it is. It used to be much more prolific in the 50s and 60s, when the white middle class amassed a ton of wealth that they've continued to pass on to subsequent generations. But outright racism in housing still exists today despite current laws, and the legacy of past policies makes it much harder to change things. It's extremely difficult to build subsidized housing in any place that hasn't previously had subsidized housing, and many of the first subsidized housing neighborhoods were stuffed with minorities with racist housing policies.

Howard,

Crack and coke are the same ****ing drug. Just finished differently and used by different demographics.

Howard is totally right when it came to the crack/coke issue. Crack was catastrophic to inner city neighborhoods. It wasn't just the crackheads, it was the insane amount of violence that came with the crack dealers that people were so concerned about.

Perfect example of people who dont know what the **** they are talking about. The drug itself isn't the ****ing issue. It was the effect it had on the communities. Crack had to be addressed because innocent people were getting gunned down in drivebys, not because the person who was high had black skin.

lol

I wonder why crack was so devastating to the inner city, while cocaine was just a hell of a drug?

What is so funny? The 80s/90s were awful during the crack years. I lived through them. I remember them. Entire neighborhoods were ruined. Women and children going to school were killed.

So, again, what's so funny?

You know that's like 2 generations ago to first time home buyers, right

Isn't subsidized house one of the problem that caused the economic down turn in 2008, you know people buying places they couldn't afford?

Oh God, I smell another one of wil's coolstorybro stories coming...

In this post not only does rara claim that discriminatory housing practices were too long ago to be relevant....

He then blames the thing that made them illegal for the housing crash.