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10-22-2012 , 01:15 PM
Do the Obama supporters here really think he'd do a better job in the next 4 years? I haven't heard anything from Obama stating what he plans to do other than end the war on Afghanistan and use that $$ to rebuild at home. Weren't the Iraq and Afghanistan wars paid for by a credit card(according to Obama's words)?
10-22-2012 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Are there worries from charities that capping deductions at some point would limit charitable contributions from rich people?
Haven't read anything. I doubt it makes much sense for nonreligious charities to weigh in on the election as that may upset potential donors. Religious charities seem to be limited in what they can say and maintain their tax exempt status.
10-22-2012 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Themaestrony
Do the Obama supporters here really think he'd do a better job in the next 4 years? I haven't heard anything from Obama stating what he plans to do other than end the war on Afghanistan and use that $$ to rebuild at home. Weren't the Iraq and Afghanistan wars paid for by a credit card(according to Obama's words)?
Well right now it's all about showing how Romney will do worse. In a perfect world Obama would be running against multiple parties so he couldn't just fling mud at the other guy, but it's a two party system.
10-22-2012 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Themaestrony
Do the Obama supporters here really think he'd do a better job in the next 4 years? I haven't heard anything from Obama stating what he plans to do other than end the war on Afghanistan and use that $$ to rebuild at home. Weren't the Iraq and Afghanistan wars paid for by a credit card(according to Obama's words)?
Of course things will be better the next 4 years. Things are better now than the past 4 years.

Do people honestly forget how bad **** was 4 years ago? It's like this whole 2008 debacle w/ the economy, real estate bubble and unemployment never happened.
10-22-2012 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Man
Of course things will be better the next 4 years. Things are better now than the past 4 years.

Do people honestly forget how bad **** was 4 years ago? It's like this whole 2008 debacle w/ the economy, real estate bubble and unemployment never happened.
So how do you explain the shrinking GDP? Things are getting worse now than they were 2 years ago..

I know Obama & his policies not responsible for anything...it's still the other guys fault.
10-22-2012 , 01:30 PM
Another reason I hate yard signs:

People get offended when you tell them they have to pay for one. They get even more offended when you tell them you can give them one for free if they volunteer some of their time.

'I donated online!' is not an acceptable reason for me to hand you a sign. They storm out of here, sometimes even claiming they're going to vote for Romney because of it.

Moochers gonna mooch tho, right?! :P
10-22-2012 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
So how do you explain the shrinking GDP? Things are getting worse now than they were 2 years ago..

I know Obama & his policies not responsible for anything...it's still the other guys fault.
Which policies, specifically, do you think are harming the economy?
10-22-2012 , 01:34 PM
I can imagine newspaper endorsements mattering a lot for local races where competency is more important than ideology(property appraiser, state attorney, etc.) and you've never heard of either of the candidates before, but yeah, I dunno what the point of all this "newspaper X endorses candidate" stuff is. I think the media loves to report on itself and pretend it is part of the story.
10-22-2012 , 01:36 PM
I know the Orlando Sentinel endorsed Romney because I'm supposed to know stuff like that but I've only had like 2 normal people mention it to me. I'm not sure if we're in their distribution area though.
10-22-2012 , 01:36 PM
1. gdp was inflated by stimulus so that accounts for some of decline, stimulus ended and GOP succeeded in not passing anything to help.
2. laying off 600000 public workers and cuts in state spending dont help
3. global double dip recession, everybody is fading, england, china, all of europe. we are lucky we still growing. Imports - Exports component to gdp effected directly, they arent buying as much since they are broke, plus wealth effects here, investments overseas, etc. all down.
4. the labor market has picked up somewhat, 3rd and 4th quarter could see a rebound.
5. high gas prices.

all account for sluggish gdp. better than -9 in dec 08 imo.
10-22-2012 , 01:37 PM
OBL dead, stock market back, unemployment back 2% from worst, record corporate profits, out of 1 war, the other winding down, less terror attacks in any 4 years since Nixon.

Man imagine what republicans would be freaking out about now if unemployment were at 6%, the deficit was going down. There would be come crazy-ass conspiracy theories about Obama's second term running 24/7 on Fox.
10-22-2012 , 01:41 PM
LOL. Some dem dude just said on Fox that Mitt is a liar and job destroyer. Megyn Kelly looked like she was going to drop dead when he said that.

Last edited by Big Man; 10-22-2012 at 01:43 PM. Reason: wtf? how did I spell liar lyer?
10-22-2012 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Another reason I hate yard signs:

People get offended when you tell them they have to pay for one. They get even more offended when you tell them you can give them one for free if they volunteer some of their time.

'I donated online!' is not an acceptable reason for me to hand you a sign. They storm out of here, sometimes even claiming they're going to vote for Romney because of it.

Moochers gonna mooch tho, right?! :P

I understand the issue, but you probably need to do a better job of kissing ass and apologizing when you deliver the bad news about the yard signs.
10-22-2012 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Which policies, specifically, do you think are harming the economy?
Obama Care.
10-22-2012 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
OBL dead, stock market back, unemployment back 2% from worst, record corporate profits, out of 1 war, the other winding down, less terror attacks in any 4 years since Nixon.

Man imagine what republicans would be freaking out about now if unemployment were at 6%, the deficit was going down. There would be come crazy-ass conspiracy theories about Obama's second term running 24/7 on Fox.
I don't doubt you but haven't read or heard this less "terror attacks" in any four years since Nixon. Is it part of Obama's stump speech or ?
10-22-2012 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Another reason I hate yard signs:

People get offended when you tell them they have to pay for one. They get even more offended when you tell them you can give them one for free if they volunteer some of their time.

'I donated online!' is not an acceptable reason for me to hand you a sign. They storm out of here, sometimes even claiming they're going to vote for Romney because of it.

Moochers gonna mooch tho, right?! :P
You are talking about dems are you not? .....that kinda goes hand in hand

Last edited by raradevils; 10-22-2012 at 01:44 PM. Reason: couldn't resist the temtation
10-22-2012 , 01:44 PM
i think obama ticking back up 4 and mitt down in that latino decision poll is direct result of 2nd debate.

gallup 6 today. down to 1 in rv. so mitt loses one point in lv, and the rv gap narrows from 3 to 1.

if that tweet from rcp dude is right, then obama should be better in gallup tomorrow (obviously tonight has no bearing on tomorrows gallup poll)

Last edited by anatta; 10-22-2012 at 01:50 PM.
10-22-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Obama Care.
Here you go.



http://www.***************/baratunde/...bamacare-myths
10-22-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
So how do you explain the shrinking GDP? Things are getting worse now than they were 2 years ago..

I know Obama & his policies not responsible for anything...it's still the other guys fault.

The GDP hasn't shrunk since 2009.
10-22-2012 , 01:47 PM
Turn on FNC

Megan Kelly: So now these new Benghazi reports come out before tonight's debate?! Coincidence?!

It's not a coverup anymore, it's INTELLIGENCE LEAKS!
10-22-2012 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Themaestrony
Do the Obama supporters here really think he'd do a better job in the next 4 years?
I think the economy will improve in the next 4 years regardless of who is elected, but I think it will be better under Obama. Not to mention, I don't want the message to the dumbass American voters' sense of history to be, "hey the economy turned around when we fired the black guy!" when it's patently obvious the recovery began in 2010 and has continued to the present day. Regardless, the President for the next four years, regardless of who it is, will likely get the credit.

I also think the deficit will be lower under Obama as compared with Romney, and I believe the PPACA would be in significant danger under a Romney administration with a Tea Party House. I don't trust the Senate Dems not to cave.
10-22-2012 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
I understand the issue, but you probably need to do a better job of kissing ass and apologizing when you deliver the bad news about the yard signs.
Nah, we try to be as 'understanding' as we can but there are some folks that just won't accept you can't get it for free. We are down to like a dozen so we need to save them for volunteers. I've bought signs for people before with my own money to get them to calm down so it's not really as bad as I made it seem but I still hate yard signs.

ETA: Usually they come in here first and we hit them up for volunteers and 99% don't care when we tell them they can just buy one next door if they're too busy to volunteer and head over to buy one. There a select few who freak out though. It's a really weird reaction to a 5$ yard sign.
10-22-2012 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Man
Here you go:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ty_115851.html
10-22-2012 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Themaestrony
Do the Obama supporters here really think he'd do a better job in the next 4 years? I haven't heard anything from Obama stating what he plans to do other than end the war on Afghanistan and use that $$ to rebuild at home. Weren't the Iraq and Afghanistan wars paid for by a credit card(according to Obama's words)?
As long as Obama didn't torch the White Hose and start wars with Russia AND China, I'd be voting for him over Romney. I actually don't think Romney is terribad as republicans go, but the Congress and judicial appointments scare the **** out of me, not to mention Ryan, a true-believer.

Also, Romney would have to rely on the very weak bench of the republicans to staff agencies and the State Dept. I seriously think anyone with a pulse and an average brain could get a job as a republican policy staffer, because there just aren't many serious people in the mix. This is why you get Monica Goodlings hiring kids from Reagent law school for prestigious DOJ positions.

How many young republicans graduate from top 20 universities, law schools, PhD programs? The smart ones usually go to business school or maybe graduate from a military academy.
10-22-2012 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
So you just point out that things are getting worse. I said it started 2 years ago, you point out it's nose diving this year.

We are both right, it's not getting better.

      
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