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And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

08-06-2012 , 12:49 PM
Socially awkward Romney
08-06-2012 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
A political strategist will also tell you that you move to the side in the primary and dive for the center in the general. Huntsman dove way too early. He's not nearly as savvy as you guys really want him to be.
Perhaps he sees the end of Nixon's southern strategy, what with all our modern technology, and people being unable to hide the crazy **** they spew in primaries?
08-06-2012 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Perhaps he sees the end of Nixon's southern strategy, what with all our modern technology, and people being unable to hide the crazy **** they spew in primaries?
Sure, it worked so well!



You guys are really confusing someone you'd like to win the republican party (and supporting my claim he's not really a republican cause you're basically all democrats) with viable campaign strategies.
08-06-2012 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
Bottled water fail.
08-06-2012 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
A political strategist will also tell you that you move to the side in the primary and dive for the center in the general. Huntsman dove way too early. He's not nearly as savvy as you guys really want him to be.
Has Romney moved to the middle? Sure doesn't seem like it.

I think this strategy is old-fashioned and maybe applies more to Democrats running for President than Republicans.
08-06-2012 , 01:05 PM
Maybe I'm just an elitist, but spring water tastes like dirty *******.

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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Sure, it worked so well!



You guys are really confusing someone you'd like to win the republican party (and supporting my claim he's not really a republican cause you're basically all democrats) with viable campaign strategies.
Well, I was talking about general election winning strategies. You changed the subject the winning primaries.
08-06-2012 , 01:08 PM
I think that huntsman's strategy was definitely with 2016 or 2020 in mind to establish himself as "the" candidate who was genuinely conservative but modern and pragmatic accepting global warming and uh...was it gay rights? He had two "centrist" positions he led with. It wasn't a terrible plan in the sense that I think that there are lots of people in the republican party who are like that and if he had done it well he could have gotten a nice sized minority of support behind him that would carry him in to later years. But a lot of his problem wasn't just the "hi i am running for republican nominee and i believe in global warming" it was also just a complete lack of charisma and political savvy (take his answering of china questions for instance). It is possible somebody else with his broad strategy could have been successful at it.
08-06-2012 , 01:14 PM
RMoney inserting himself into the Cola Wars!
08-06-2012 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Maybe I'm just an elitist, but spring water tastes like dirty *******.



Well, I was talking about general election winning strategies. You changed the subject the winning primaries.
You can't be all that elitist if you know what dirty ******* tastes like
08-06-2012 , 01:25 PM
I don't really buy into the whole meta long game Huntsman plan. He was setting up for a run in case Republicans lose all the loon in a few years? Huntsman tried to run as a moderate with positions that didn't harken back to 1950 in a year when the Republicans have moved about as far right as they can.

He's an absolutely horrible candidate right now when moderate is a diseased term and not drinking the kool aid on EVERYTHING (abortion, climate change, gays, immigration, etc) often results in losing. I mean he's a great candidate in terms of "here's a Republican who is actually using logic," but that isn't what the anti-science, anti-logic, anti-choice, party wants.
08-06-2012 , 01:36 PM
I thought Mormons couldn't drink soda?
08-06-2012 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jah7_fsu1
I don't really buy into the whole meta long game Huntsman plan. He was setting up for a run in case Republicans lose all the loon in a few years? Huntsman tried to run as a moderate with positions that didn't harken back to 1950 in a year when the Republicans have moved about as far right as they can.

He's an absolutely horrible candidate right now when moderate is a diseased term and not drinking the kool aid on EVERYTHING (abortion, climate change, gays, immigration, etc) often results in losing. I mean he's a great candidate in terms of "here's a Republican who is actually using logic," but that isn't what the anti-science, anti-logic, anti-choice, party wants.
I don't think there is any difference between Romney in huntsman in science, logic, or choice platform. Huntsman is a figment of y'alls imagination.
08-06-2012 , 01:51 PM
I get the feeling Romney has never worn jeans his entire life until he started running for president. I think if you wear jeans primarily - your fat actually redistributes in a certain way so you don't look like you're wearing Mom jeans.
08-06-2012 , 01:55 PM
08-06-2012 , 01:59 PM
It's pretty depressing that there are basically no Rockefeller Republicans anymore. 'Cause I really think Obama sucks at his job but the Republican Party is so bat**** insane that I am actively rooting for him to win. There's no limit to the amount of damage RMoney could do with a Republitard Congress. Like, they could easily start another stupid-ass war or two, default on the national debt, repeal Obamacare with no alternative, do all sorts of ******ed immigration stuff, the list goes on.

Now I'll give you that Huntsman was not the most charismatic guy, but neither was George H.W. Bush. Similar accomplishments and pedigree, just different eras. And lol @ thinking he could have had a chance by moving to the right. He never had a shot with the wingnuts - he had a job in the Obama administration. Automatic DQ.
08-06-2012 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
So is he going to be running adverts next week about how Obama isnt a friend to supermarkets and hasnt visited one during his four years of office?
08-06-2012 , 02:05 PM
Huntsman is going to have to improve in a basic skill required of a politician-raising money. His dad's wealth is not enough.
08-06-2012 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
I thought Mormons couldn't drink soda?
iirc it's caffeine they can't have, not necessarily soda, so no caffeinated sodas or tea. If that's caffeine free Pepsi there he should still be cool with the Lord
08-06-2012 , 02:29 PM
Pepsi uses gold packaging for caffeine free afaik
08-06-2012 , 02:30 PM
I'd guess that isn't even an actual purchase, when was the last time this guy was in a grocery store or did his own shopping?
08-06-2012 , 02:33 PM
Lol. I guess you think that is a chop?
08-06-2012 , 02:53 PM
I should probably also have mentioned the encounter at the hardware store.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08...are-store.html

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"Hardware stuff." —Mitt Romney, when asked by a reporter outside a hardware store what he had just purchased.
08-06-2012 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Lol. I guess you think that is a chop?
I think he's saying that Romney is not purchasing items for his personal consumption.
08-06-2012 , 03:13 PM
I don't know why anyone is dismissing Huntsman's longterm game plan that seems pretty straightforward if any logic is applied. Like the absolute worst case scenario is ~2015 or so he flips parties and the massive indomitable leftwing mainstream media fellate him endlessly.

Actually that's likely his gameplan as the left has pretty much moved to the center, maybe a hair off except for a couple bellweather "lefty" issues and the right has moved on from its collective bodies and is orbiting the planet with Xenu.
08-06-2012 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
I don't think there is any difference between Romney in huntsman in science, logic, or choice platform. Huntsman is a figment of y'alls imagination.
Romney was for abortion before he was against it. Anyways, clearly Romney tacked sharply to the right during the primaries and Huntsman didn't/wouldn't. Huntsman didn't back down from being a moderate and thinking some questions require a pragmatic approach. This isn't what the current GOP wants in a you're either for everything we are for or you're against everything for we are for environment.

It's an insult in the current GOP to be called a moderate, which is why even with Romney heading hard right during the primaries Newt and Santy tried to paint him as such.

      
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