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07-24-2012 , 08:16 PM

#7176

ikestoys

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Thought the poll showing romney up 2-1 on economic issues, but Obama being more likable was really telling (and notsogreat for obama)

07-24-2012 , 08:38 PM

#7177

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

Boy your kinda blowing the myth/legend way out of proportion (tongue and check I hope). We have not and will not provide them with a "nest egg". We both started out with zero and worked our way to where we are now. We just paid for their schooling so they weren't in the hole starting life.

When the gov comes and takes 1/2 of everything how does that help them in any economy?

Plz show work. I'm sure you're including your mortgage interest and every other deduction in that "half of everything" figure right? Keep in mind the top marginal tax rate in this country is 28% up to $178k and 33% from 178k to 388k.

Furthermore, why does it not bother you that Mitt Romney's of the world have made the laws such that while they're taking "half" from you, he only pays 15%? Bully for him for being powerful enough to rig the system against guys like you? Now that's a campaign premise I can get behind.

07-24-2012 , 08:48 PM

#7178

rockfsh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Thought the poll showing romney up 2-1 on economic issues, but Obama being more likable was really telling (and notsogreat for obama)

See page 19 of this poll Romney does not have a 2-1 lead

Dealing with the economy Obama Romney
July 2012+ .............................. 37 43

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se..._July_Poll.pdf

07-24-2012 , 08:49 PM

#7179

ikestoys

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poll question is asked in different ways dude. you're going to get very different answers in break downs.

You're not going to find obama liked 2-1 either.

07-24-2012 , 08:54 PM

#7180

rockfsh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

poll question is asked in different ways dude. you're going to get very different answers in break downs.

You're not going to find obama liked 2-1 either.

Never said Obama "liked 2-1"

07-24-2012 , 08:57 PM

#7181

ikestoys

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Yeah, the poll i'm referencing did.

07-24-2012 , 09:13 PM

#7182

Low Key

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Thought the poll showing romney up 2-1 on economic issues, but Obama being more likable was really telling (and notsogreat for obama)

Yet oddly it said that people favored Obama on issues that mattered to them. Go figure.

Also, being likable does matter. Did you forget 2004?

07-24-2012 , 09:25 PM

#7183

BoredSocial

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Every time I forget how good Obama's campaign is they remind me all over again. Honestly I think Romney would probably be better for the country (Moderate in conservative clothes yo)... But Obama is a much better candidate and the Obama campaign makes few mistakes. Their organizational advantage is lol huge. Also it's easy to overstate the value of money in this election, not because it doesn't matter, but because all of the available ad space is already bought in the states that matter.

07-24-2012 , 09:27 PM

#7184

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At this point I blame the people who are responding to rara for keeping him going.

Rara - no bet with me? Guess you don't actually believe what you say.

07-24-2012 , 09:29 PM

#7185

raradevils

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Plz show work. I'm sure you're including your mortgage interest and every other deduction in that "half of everything" figure right? Keep in mind the top marginal tax rate in this country is 28% up to $178k and 33% from 178k to 388k.

Furthermore, why does it not bother you that Mitt Romney's of the world have made the laws such that while they're taking "half" from you, he only pays 15%? Bully for him for being powerful enough to rig the system against guys like you? Now that's a campaign premise I can get behind.

no mortgage, the 1/2 of everything is death tax, 15% is on investment (that's the same I pay on my investment after I already paid 31% [as an average] on income earned). He didn't make the rules. He's just using them like anyone would that could take advantage of them. I wish there was a flat tax on all $ earned/made, remove all deduction. 17% would be a good starting point.

07-24-2012 , 09:31 PM

#7186

CharlieDontSurf

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It always seems like the people with no avatars are the most annoying.

07-24-2012 , 09:31 PM

#7187

raradevils

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Originally Posted by Low Key

Yet oddly it said that people favored Obama on issues that mattered to them. Go figure.

Also, being likable does matter. Did you forget 2004?

that was because it was against Kerry. Other than marrying money the only other thing he did was serve in Vietnam....

07-24-2012 , 09:35 PM

#7188

Effen

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oh god it's the ghost of steve forbes

07-24-2012 , 09:39 PM

#7189

raradevils

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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf

It always seems like the people with no avatars are the most annoying.

why does mine not show up? I have one selected...

07-24-2012 , 09:41 PM

#7190

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Originally Posted by raradevils

that was because it was against Kerry. Other than marrying money the only other thing he did was serve in Vietnam....

he was already dumb rich before he married
he got a law degree and served as a prosecutor for several years
he had his own practice in TEH PRIVATE SECTORZ
he was a senator for 20 years

other than be an actual war hero, what did he ever do? #cmonson

07-24-2012 , 09:41 PM

#7191

[Phill]

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Kerry was way way more experienced than Romney is.

He was the perfect president wrapped up in the skin of the most boring person ever. Like how does someone be so ****ing awesome and come off so boring?

07-24-2012 , 09:44 PM

#7192

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Originally Posted by '[Phill

;33928255']Kerry was way way more experienced than Romney is.

He was the perfect president wrapped up in the skin of the most boring person ever. Like how does someone be so ****ing awesome and come off so boring?

Campaigning?

07-24-2012 , 10:05 PM

#7193

goofball

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governing?

07-24-2012 , 10:07 PM

#7194

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by goofball

governing?

No merit in that argument to me as being a Governor is much more relevant experience than being a Senator.

07-24-2012 , 10:10 PM

#7195

raradevils

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Originally Posted by goofball

governing?

do you govern as a senator or legislate?

07-24-2012 , 10:12 PM

#7196

goofball

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

No merit in that argument to me as being a one term as Governor which ended with an abysmal record on jobs and an approval rating in the 30s is much more relevant experience than being a Senator for 20 years.

Clarified your post

07-24-2012 , 10:17 PM

#7197

seattlelou

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Clarified your post

Didn't advance your argument but whatever dude.

07-24-2012 , 10:21 PM

#7198

goofball

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It's OK. Romney's governorship just isn't a great part of his resume. Abysmal record and his signature accomplishment he can't even brag about.

I don't care who si better romney or kerry because they're secretly the same person.

07-24-2012 , 10:21 PM

#7199

raradevils

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Originally Posted by goofball

Clarified your post

If he pissed off a bunch of voters from TAXachucetts. He's a better candidate then i thought.

07-24-2012 , 10:24 PM

#7200

suzzer99

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Ah ok death tax.

Maybe Mitt didn't make them directly but his club did. You want to elect a guy who already raided the chicken coop so he can make it easier for him and his buddies to do next time. Why this bothers you none I will never really understand (other than the obvious emotional blind rage deflected to the poors).

Flat tax is so insanely regressive.

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