Would it be nice to have the president hold a press conference on the subject and give us answers as to what happened?

You seriously need a press conference by the President telling you how they died to make you feel better? WTF?

ok O picks up 2 in WA Post tracker and now trails by 49R 48O. I believe that is a 3 day? so all is now post debate, although could be 4 day with one day off or something. I have lost count. but u know BREAKING the national polls are very close and OH is the key!

Ultimate Grunch. I mean, how else can this thread be done properly?

Yesterday was the first day I thought it was even possible that RMoney might win.

But I did talk to a gun-toting lawyer from Winnemucca who fears Mormons and voted O. Pretty sure RMoney's got that county locked up though.

Libya didnt' seem to resonate enough- so now we're on Benghazi because it sounds scarier or something? Maybe it's just harder to shop into that image.

too bad nobody has the balls to question the president to his face on this issue. its like everybody just nods and agrees and stuff.

This is the best you can do now?

The only people owed any degree of explanation to me would be the families of the people involved and the miltary folks for whom an understanding of the situation would have practical value. Neither of those conversations should be public.

Chester P. American isn't owed ****, and given that per the very story you posted there still seems to be some ambiguity as to everything that happened, trying to pacify Chester with a press conference that couldn't provide enough information to be meaningful doesn't seem that fantastic.

If the most you can pull out of Benghazi is that it could have been handled better PR wise, I'm not sure that's the campaign sinking bullet you're looking for. (and like, if it's some indication of Obama's ability to govern, we can counter with most of the words out of Mitt's mouth)

the Libya thing is just so lol. its been SIX WEEKS now and nobody cares. it should be and probably is illegal what the right is doing to that poor chicken

antneye:

After reading your "interesting" logic and analysis of what you see as the probable election outcome, (along with your interesting interpretation of the flaws in Nate Silver's model), I've had a sudden epiphany: Regardless of how this election turns out, everybody is going to claim they were right - even if their side loses! (I was listening to Jason Lewis last night on the radio while I was driving around. He's already charging voter fraud claiming that a computer somewhere [Ohio?] is magically changing early votes cast for Romney into votes cast for Obama. Of course, he offerred absolutely no proof or a source to back up this allegation - he just threw it out there.)

There is no objective analysis or clear cut "logic" in this thread. Everybody is guessing - arguing their feelings and emotions. We're all (including me) cherry picking "facts" to support how we wish the election will turn out. This is not the sort of thing where you enter data into a computer, press some keys, execute a query, and out jumps the answer. You can't precisely "model" raw human emotion - despite the efforts of smart people like Nate Silver to do so. This is what makes the interaction between "numbers people" - who try to totally eliminate human emotion from decision making - and people who rely on "intuition" and "feeling" - so fascinating. This is also why this election is so captivating. People are really polarized - split right down the middle. If elections could be accurately predicted with models, there wouldn't be a need for elections - just press a button and see what the computer says. (If we did away with elections, then I suppose the battle would be over who programs the computer ...)

This squabble over Obama versus Romney - and who will be "butt hurt" on election night - is reminiscent of poker players arguing over the best way to play a hand. But maybe that's the whole point of politics - it's just another arena where people struggle to get the upper hand in a game that never ends.

State props from Sportsbook.ag (no-vig win chance): (Updated 10/25)

Date	Pinnnacle	EC Majority	Ohio	Florida	Virginia	Penn.	Colorado	N. Carolina	Nevada	Wisconsin	Michigan	New Hamp.	Iowa
10/19		39.1%		72.1%	61.9%	22.3%	53.1%	79.3%	31.6%	30.4%	13.6%	36.6%	34.4%
10/20	34.6%	39.6%	41.4%	70.6%	60.2%	25.2%	54.1%	79.3%	33.6%	33.6%	15.8%	38.1%	34.4%
10/22	36.5%	39.6%	42.2%	70.6%	58.6%	23.8%	55.1%	86.4%	31.6%	33.4%	15.8%	39.6%	35.8%
10/24	37.5%	40.1%	45.9%	78.9%	59.4%	23.8%	63.4%	81.6%*	27.9%	36.6%	15.0%*	44.6%*	41.4%
10/25	33.1%	37.7%	38.4%	76.2%	59.4%	22.3%	58.6%	80.1%*	26.4%	29.4%	13.8%*	41.4%	39.8%
10/26	33.4%	37.2%	36.6%	74.5%	56.9%	21.1%	54.1%	75.3%*	25.2%	29.4%	10.9%*	43.1%	39.8%

* - betfair

Only improvement for Romney is NH. IA flat, Obama improves otherwise.

2.0% for this quarter. 1.8% for the year.

You guys need to do your own research and stop eating what's being spoon fed to you by the Dems and Obama's reelection team. The economy is slowing and we are looking at another recession unless things change. If Obama is re-elected and hikes taxes on everyone we will go into a recession.

Oh, and in case you guys didn't know this, payroll taxes are going up for everyone in 2013. Regardless of how much money you make.

the WA POST/ABC tracker includes Monday, the day of debate. So tomorrow will be the first full post debate sample from that poll. As Sunday fell off and we added one more post debate to that poll, Obama picked up 2 points. I expect that poll to be tied or O+1 tomorrow.

The Republican at work (of an organization of 200+ we could count them on one hand, and I think the rest left) posted this on Facebook, claiming it was worst than Fast & Furious.

The best part is that it was so dumb that two of his not at all politically inclined co-workers tore it apart for him.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/20...-benghazigate/

When Fox news is your most credible source...

I'm not looking for a sinking bullet. We had American put in harms way and left out to dry. After they were left out to dry we've not had straight answers from the president or administration what happened. I don't care who the president is, this is just not acceptable.

YES! Thank you.

Please demonstrate how you know where various posters are sourcing their economic info, and then maybe suggest some better sources?

Sometimes "I don't know" is the straightest answer you can give.

Obama's superior ground game in FL, IA, WI, VA, and OH obviously is a sign of how desperate Obama's campaign is right now. Romney doesn't have a good ground game because he can win without one. Obama knows it is his only hope.

Yep.

btw, the 'by definition' wrt to recession starting from 13ball is just wrong. Found that out in 2008 remember?

Dids I agree with you on that. The problem is, we didn't even get that.

Dude, what are you talking about? GDO QoQ was 2.0%. The economy is growing at a 2.0% annualized rate.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...-forecast.html

Also, something interesting of note from the article: "The rate of growth would have been stronger if not for the drought that affected crops in the Midwest. A drop in farm inventories subtracted 0.4 percentage point from third-quarter GDP after cutting 0.2 point in the prior period, the report showed."

Jim or Liverpool, please link to a reputable source showing economic contraction.

Romneys continued support of Murdoch destroyed what little chance he had left. IMO