I am telling you man. So is this whole thread.

The couple you mention can still go without insurance and pay a minimal fine. They can probably skate this way until Medicare kicks in (so you might want to update your talking points to make them 55 or so).

But they also have the option of getting insurance now, where before there was nothing. Please explain how they are worse off than the status quo (aka republican plan)? Do you know any responsible 60-year-olds who feel comfortable going w/o insurance? Because I sure don't. I'm 45 and I'd be terrified to go w/o it. Invincibility is long gone.

I think the hilarious part of all this is the NHA/renodoc 2nd or 3rd hand talking point collision.

You're putting words in my mouth? Health care still sucks for the lower middle class. It's slightly better than it was before but not where it needs to be.

Come with me Wednesday and Thursday nights. I'll show you some 60 yr olds choosing to go without insurance.

It's almost like I make this point saying that the ACA is better than the Republican model but you skip right past that asking to explain how the previous situation is better.

Thanks, Obama.

JUST ASKING QUESTiONS stop putting words in my mouth

They should qualify for the subsidy...

I guess it's time to go to the single payer

The problem with Obamacare is that it doesn't go far enough. We need to repeal it and then maybe discuss how to really fix the system!

Get on schu/fly levels, not suzzer

What is your damage with NHA?

Republicans itt arguing in favour of single payer UHC, have I stepped into a bizzaro world somehow?

Guys, you know that's ultra socialism, right?

Shhhh let them run with it. It's not Obama's idea, which is all that matters. Oooh he's so arrogant, he makes my amygdala swell up like a grapefruit!

Just to remind everyone that this **** isn't that complicated,
http://www.vox.com/cards/health-pric...th-care-prices

Dear goofball,

He answered a question addressed to renodoc like we were talking about real people, but actually was like concern trolling, and up to right now I have no idea what his point is.

Love,
Dumbasses who can ****ing follow a conversation.

I guess maybe NHA is coming from the liberal "Obama care doesn't go far enough" side?

It's hard to distinguish those from incoherent conservative "Obamacare bad" arguments which can come from any angle and contradict themselves multiple times in one paragraph.

The US gov't is a little bit responsible for the drug and provider cartels that set these high prices. I am sure you're excited to get the socialized medicine and all, but that doesn't automatically solve this problem.

If the combined income of this hypothetical couple was say $59000 how much would it cost factoring any subsidies they would get?

adios,

Got to this link in less time than it is taking me to type this sentence.

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

Depends on the state and plan, apples to apples comparison FTW. Btw is NHA one of your aliases? If not I wasn't asking you.

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I'm honestly not even sure what your point is, but the link I posted controls for location, down to the zip code. To the extent you are complaining that the subsidies aren't generous enough, I can get on board with that. We could take them up to, say, 100% and eliminate insurance companies all together!

What part of apples to apples comparison don't you understand?

It's like you're just figuring out how insurance works for individuals.

How do you think we arrived at a place where people were going to the ER instead of getting insurance? Laziness? Rugged individualism?

Hint: it was worse for 60 y/o before this on the individual market. They actually save. It's the younger people who have had their rates rise.

The Kaiser link doesn’t have line item for specific ages for those getting insurance.

Went to WA site used their calculator.

A married couple with combined income $62,500
 Monthly cost for silver plan $1253 a month, $15,036 a year
 Subsidy $0
 Total cost $15,036 a year

A married couple with combined income $59,000
 Monthly cost for silver plan $1253 a mont, $15,036
 Subsidy $786 a month, $9,432 a year
 Total cost $5604 a year, $467 a month

So if the couple earns $3,500 more a year their health insurance costs an extra $9,432 a year.

This is equivalent to a marginal tax rate of 269%

Yeah and a combined income of $62,500 is like upper middle class right?

Perverse economic incentives ftw!!!

Concern trolling? Just positing the worst case scenario of the renodoc question.