LOL at Obama delaying this for a year because of a website being down.

500 million people on Facebook no problem. Hurr durr...we can't get healthcare.gov to work because internetz too hard...delay Obamacare for a year til we figure this out!

Watching Luke Mess(er), from Indiana right now and I can't believe these guys. He even admits that thing obamacare to all this was so last week, but then launches into everything that must change with Obamacare for this to end.

I can't wait to hear Boehner explain why he refuses to put the clean cr up for a vote.

Speaking of dinner table conversations (and admittedly without factual support), I'd imagine regular dinner table conversations happen at least 2X more frequently in traditional/conservative homes than in liberal ones. Don't know how this jives with what we know about the volume of liberal youth in our nation, but regardless it could be interesting to know more about as it relates to political beliefs being passed down.

He has already played with ACA by delaying the business mandate. What's the issue with delaying the personal for a year also?

What if the numbers that are coming out in a week or two are horribly below expectations? Do you think they will release those numbers?

Well, without the personal mandate the whole thing falls apart because only old unhealthy people sign up.

A year from now I'm sure the GOP will love it and not obstruct it at all.

Well said. Obama is going a great job but so is Harry Reid.

No kidding. As if anyone would really believe the Republicans wouldn't keep trying to kill it in a year.

Hell, look at how they treated the CR negotiations. Once they had a deal they decided they wanted more.

Again, part of the problem for the Republicans here is that they somehow screwed up having a captive base that will buy into whatever bull**** narrative the propaganda machine feeds them. Like, when you tell these idiots "WE WILL STOP OBAMACARE" when there is absolutely no way to actually stop Obamacare, you are setting yourself up for disaster. They set the expectation at "will stop Obamacare" and are going to achieve "absolutely nothing." Not a good look.

All they had to to was use their propaganda machine to froth people up about something else. Obamacare was always a stupid target because eventually the law gets implemented, people see it isn't the end of the world and you just look stupid. So much better to herp derp about nonsense that can never be disproven - this is why constantly emphasizing taxes is perfect for them. Everybody hates taxes, the people that don't even pay them don't realize it and although there is an academic consensus that lower taxes for the wealthy often don't produce broader benefits it is easy to message and impossible to ultimately disprove.

The penalties for the first year are super low. Delaying the mandate for a year is not a big deal, the problem is that you will encourage the Republicans to extort you at every budget and debt ceiling extension. They are children who need a strict bedtime.

You'll have better luck with this line in a thread that isn't a discussion of an issue where the Republicans are just unambiguously wrong with a big helping of pretty dumb and a dash a selfish.

If Obamacare actually works, this is going to be a huge problem for the Republican brand down the road.

This is possible; however if they delay, it allows the democrats to prove that they provided repubs with the ultimate compromise and that they are interested in working together. This would re-open govt. (+1 dems).

This will also give them huge leverage in the eyes of the public over the debt ceiling and cr problems, as well as future ACA funding.

IMO, if the signup numbers are low for young healthy people then you won't hear about the numbers and they will give in to the delay.

What not taking "yes" for an answer looks like.

I went to the site it is working fine.

To expand on this.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/does-t...100027944.html

That chart is pretty bad lol

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=30

I asked this the last time it got brought up:

Why do Republicans want the individual mandate delayed? What policy goal is that in furtherance of?

Next year when the mandate comes back, then what?

The answers, by the way:

1) **** that Kenyan socialist he wants this so we hate it

2) What's a "policy goal"? That kind of fancy talking is liable to get you your ass kicked, college boy

3) *crickets*

Are all Tea Partiers Chiefs fans or are all Chief fans Tea Partiers?

Yes, Obamacare is SO UNPOPULAR the website crashed. That makes perfect sense. You're so on top of things.

Listen Obamermao- we don't like yer plan and if you'll delay it by a year maybe by then we'll find a way to stop it. Cool?

Looking at the website and actually signing up are two completely different things. You do understand this, right?

wtf whoever made that chart should be embarassed