They stopped using it because of RESISTANCE.

Thanks for at least admitting that there was no ban, though.

13ball did you read any of the two long passages that I wrote above...

or do you plan on ignoring them?

I got it from sex
However to be fair nobody bothered to correct him

What are you talking about...?

Did you read the quotes from the environmental nutjobs that I just supplied??? They don't even have any shame in saying that they want population control...

I'm not making this stuff up out of thin air... these are actual cited quotes...

Just because I add my own little commentary to it doesn't mean they didn't say what they said in plain english....

All I know is that I'm freezing my ass in south florida (miami)... 30 degrees last night.

Hopefully this thread lasts 10-15 more years... then they'll change the name of it back to man made global cooling...

Too bad the internet and 2+2 weren't around back in the 70's... then we would have had archives on that thread

I stipulate that DDT was once widely effective at fighting malaria and is now effective in some places. I further stipulate that there are nutjob environmentalists who said stupid things.

How does that change the fact that:

1. There was no ban on DDT for malaria use.

and

2. Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT starting in the 1950s.

For number 2, I went to one of YOUR sources.

It's still cheaper and more effective than anything else. Nice cherrypick

It is obviously not more effective in places where resistance has developed.

In order for this to be true, something better would have to exist. DDT is by far the best option for people with a malaria problem you denier.

Rachel Carson being one of those nutjob environmentalists....

DDT saved tens of millions of lives between 1945-1965

lol. What good is spraying DDT if the mosquitoes are resistant to it? How is that a "best option" when there are other insecticides that do not have resistance?

Then where is your quote about her wanting to kill humans?

I don't dispute that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173766,00.html

It still works wonders, sir

why do you deny this?

lol resistance doesn't mean that it doesn't work at all. You are overselling the resistance part of this horribly.

It kind of goes without saying... after all she is the godmother of the environMENTAL movement.

Don't dispute what?

DDT is used now in places where resistance isn't a problem. Other insecticides are used where resistance is a problem. Why would you use DDT if you found mosquitoes resistant to DDT, but none resistance to pytheroids, for example? Your argument makes no sense whatsoever unless you believe that DDT is so magical that it can be more effective than pytheroids even when the mosquito population has shown resistance to it. And of course, the presence of DDT-resistant populations of mosquitoes will only grow as you use DDT around them. Please never run a public health program if this is the level of thinking you bring to the issue.

Steve Milloy was kicked out of Cato for failure to disclose the fact the he was paid by tobacco companies while he lobbied for them. He's one of the right wing idiots who hates environmentalists. Please find a better source.

Are your really having that much trouble figuring out what I was referring to?

Pick a reason your argument is flawed:

1) Full DDT resistance isn't widespread (basically only India)
2) DDT is still effective in some countries like SA with resistant populations (effectiveness rate 80 - 60%)
3) Stopping DDT is clearly linked with more mosquitoes
4) New DDT programs are clearly linked with less mosquitoes

GL.

In case you missed this paragraph from above 13ball...


Chemical pioneer Joseph Jacobs was critical of the precautionary principle. He noted that one of the products he helped develop saved many lives, but also "caused quite a few deaths." But this substance was not DDT. It was penicillin, which has caused allergic fatalities. No deaths of humans, by contrast have been linked to DDT. Yet "no one has ever bemoaned the discovery of penicillin or caused it to be *****************************BANNED*************** *********************************************", Jacobs wrote. "If this had been given the RACHEL CARSON treatment, think of all the lives which would not have been saved

So? India sprayed DDT indiscriminately--just like Rachel Carson advised people not to.

What is the effectiveness of Pytheroids? If Pytheroids are more effective, use them. If DDT is more effective, use it. What, exactly, is wrong with that POV?

When? Where? I'm sure this is true if you stop using insecticides altogether.

Then we both agree that the WHO is doing a good job of selecting the right places to use DDT. This is not evidence that DDT will be effective everywhere it's used or more effective than pytheroids or any other insecticide, which was your argument. The idea that the WHO is letting some DDT spraying go on, but not allowing it in other places for anything other than scientific reasons is not supported by anything you or anyone else has said in this thread.

I hate environmentalists also, and for good reason... they have caused millions of innocent people to die...I'm a right wing nutjob because the people at the head of these environmental group are on record unashamedly stating that they want DDT banned so more people can die... ? The people who make these unbelievably disgusting comments are big shot environmentalists that are able to affect policy... these aren't people not known who's level of environmentalism doesn't go beyond recycling

Do you think I hate environmentalists just for fun or a hobby??? I read a well documented, insanely footnoted book on all the eco-freaks out there and how they do waaaay more harm then good... and that is why I hate them. Something that Rachel Carson should have done...citing and footnoting, not propagandizing her worthless unsubstantiated lie of a book

What in that foxnews article stated by Milloy is false...???

You automatically assume that because he lobbied for tobacco companies and didn't disclose that he was being paid, that outs him from writing on the DDT propaganda, that is already known???

I mean, you seem to take what Rachel Carson says to heart, and her entire book is a lie aside from a handful of factual statements in her book... so that is just a tad bit hypocritical...

gotta love environmentalists/statists/liberals... when in doubt, try and attack the source... why don't you check Steve Milloy's criminal record, maybe he got a DUI in college, or got arrested for underage drinking... then you can add another pointless thing to try and discredit the article

If you provide evidence that DDT was banned for malarial use, I'll respond to you again, but until then, I'm done with the moronic DDT arguments.

My understanding, though, is that CO2 increase is still trailing temperature increase. Should't they have inverted by now?