I'm glad to hear you wouldn't go to a foreign country and kill a bunch of innocent civilians while hunting down a criminal. However the USA government/Army certainly doesn't share those values. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being all American-bashing and I'm not a terrorist sympathiser either, by any stretch.

However- it simply cannot be denied that these things are a matter of perspective, from the perspective of the populace of places like Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries where there's been an aggressive American/Allies military presence, it would be very easy to grow of the opinion that Americans are quite happy to 'terrorise' innocent civilians in the pursuit of their political goals.

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**** religion
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While we're at it, ****ing everything. Seriously **** religion in general. **** it right up the ass.

I don't know where I got it from, but I had a feeling you'd like the song.

Oh absolutely.

They're all terrorists. The overseas terrorists are terrorists, but the U.S. government are terrorists as well. The overseas terrorize our lands, the government terrorizes theirs, and ours.

You were right.

My friend I play music with would really like it a lot too imo.

What a disgraceful post. The posters who rightly criticise American foreign policy (168 children have beene killed in Pakistan by drones) do not lean towards bombing anyone. That is fundamentally idiotic logic.

In the scope of human history the Boston ordeal is nothing. How many innocent civilians were killed every day in WWII. Imagine if we had 10,000 Boston ordeals occurring at the same time every day. Don't fall for the media hype. Compared to gunshots or car accidents it was nothing.

Lol I'm only a couple of steps away from being a terrorist. And dammit wanted to visit America some day..... but now I'm scared I'm gonna be send to Gitmo, if they check my internet posting history...

Lirva- have you ever considered just tuning it all out? I've been an on again off again politics/news junkie for 25 years. The off agains when I'm just utterly disgusted and can't take any more. Something always draws me back, and it gets easier to deal with all the bull**** as I become more and more cynical. still, I always end up right back where I started, disgusted.

but whether or not the lockdown was "mandatory" was totally irrelevant to the question asked.

the order of magnitude of deaths is not so much relevant as it is the means and the cause

also, different societies have different tolerance levels for violence. we haven't been attacked by anyone outside of pearl harbor, oklahoma, 9/11, for over sixty years, so our society is super sensitized to things like this. europeans have way different attitudes because they were the ones experiencing ridiculously high level of violence (or i guess their parents/grand parents were :P)

lol.

LirvA Containment Thread, pls.

I'm sure you realise there is much much more violence daily going on in America than in any other western country.

Well yeah but look at population difference

The media clearly doesn't understand what Miranda is or how it works. When the US Atty was asked at the press conference last night why the suspect hadn't been mirandized it was clear she was thrown because to a lawyer, that question makes no sense in context. The suspect was taken to the hospital and was not being questioned yet, so there's no freaking need to read him his miranda rights. And all these politicians and reporters getting all twisted up about Miranda either have no idea how it works or are beind deliberately obtuse to stir up a controversy. All that happens if you don't mirandize an in-custody suspect prior to questioning him is you cna't use any statements he makes at his subsequent trial. This case is already the headshot of all headshots, so I doubt they care that much about questioning him for evidentiary purposes for his trial, they just want to question him about who else may have been involved, is there anyone else out there that's dangerous, are there any other bombs out there, etc., exactly the kind of situation that the public safety exception to Miranda was carved out for.

Eu's crime rates are alot lower than American ones and EU has a bigger population.

jman,

What are the chances that this kid is able to plead any of this stuff down?

If they haven't read him his Miranda Rights, they will have to let him go.

I learned that on Dexter.

That's hard to say based only on the information publicly available. As a prosecutor I'd have to guess the chance is absolute zero that this gets plead down to anything less than a life without parole type sentence. I suppose it's possible they could plea bargain around the death penalty and he gets something like life without the possibility of parole if this is part of a larger terror plot that he assists law enforcement with taking down. But the prosecution has nothing to lose by taking this case to trial, with just the evidence that has been publicly released, there's no way this kid ever walks under any circumstances, and there's almost certainly more evidence that hasn't been released.

Will this get pled down?

Yeah, I found that episode infuriating. The biggest surprise regular citizens get when sitting on a jury is that, not only do police officers not have to mirandize someone when they are arresting them, they NEVER EVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES do it. You do not get mirandized when you are arrested. You get mirandized prior to being interviewed, usually back at the police station. That little bit about "you have the right to remain silent," being said as the cuffs are being slapped on is there because it makes for good television.

Edited to add: There are many cases where a suspect is never mirandized period because the cops don't want to, or need to, or have the time to, talk to the suspect.