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06-13-2015 , 11:33 AM

#7126

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

A handful of students getting kicked out of school, and labeled rapists for no reason, is a small price to pay to protect college women's right to get s***faced, have consensual sex, and decide later on that they can't possibly bear any responsibility for dumb things done while drunk.

So sexual assault never happens at college? Interesting take.

06-13-2015 , 11:43 AM

#7127

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http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/am...ed-for-rape-bu

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Amherst College expelled a male student who was accused of sexually assaulting a female student while he was blacked out. Again, while he was blacked out.

Note to Reason readers: yes, you can commit sexual assault while blacked out.

06-13-2015 , 11:57 AM

#7128

revots33

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Originally Posted by 13ball

So sexual assault never happens at college? Interesting take.

Of course it happens. My point is that the system is so skewed towards assuming the male's guilt from the get-go, that it doesn't matter if it actually happens or not. The accusation is enough.

06-13-2015 , 11:58 AM

#7129

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

No, you didn't. No, it wasn't. And no, they aren't.

Wrong.

06-13-2015 , 12:05 PM

#7130

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Originally Posted by revots33

Of course it happens. My point is that the system is so skewed towards assuming the male's guilt from the get-go, that it doesn't matter if it actually happens or not. The accusation is enough.

That's obviously not true, but let's say it was. Such a policy would protect real rape victims too, right?

06-13-2015 , 12:41 PM

#7131

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Originally Posted by 13ball

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/am...ed-for-rape-bu

Note to Reason readers: yes, you can commit sexual assault while blacked out.

There's still this incredible disconnect where sexual misconduct AND ONLY sexual misconduct in college should be some weird discipline-free zone, entirely distinct from the regular code of conduct.

****ing crash your car into your dorm lobby while blacked out, see if you're still enrolled after that.

06-13-2015 , 01:00 PM

#7132

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20% of ALL women in college are sexually assaulted.

I bet not even 20% of men in college doing the assaulting are punished in any way.

Its kind of a tragedy that maybe some innocent men are punished, though so far there hasn't been a good example found in this thread, but it's that fifth of women being sexually assaulted who need protection.

06-13-2015 , 01:10 PM

#7133

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

Indeed

Are we confident that the institution treating it as misconduct is a good way to that? Sounds very dubious to me - also sounds very familiar and long biased in favour of men. Maybe it's okay if its always in addition to some judicial/independent support process.

06-13-2015 , 01:45 PM

#7134

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 13ball

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/am...ed-for-rape-bu

Note to Reason readers: yes, you can commit sexual assault while blacked out.

Note to 13ball, read the ****ing article, that way you won't have to scrape off so much egg off your face

06-13-2015 , 01:50 PM

#7135

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Originally Posted by rugby

Ikes. When did you adopt the term SJW?

So that's what's important here. For a person who supposedly hates rape so much you're strangely quiet about a rape victim being expelled for being rape. I wonder why your haven't said **** about that?

Spoiler:

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06-13-2015 , 02:05 PM

#7136

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Right, it's perfectly obvious that you read /r/mensrights and that's why we're all laughing at you. Sick spoiler box burn btw.

06-13-2015 , 02:07 PM

#7137

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Oh look MORE ad hominems! That'll change the facts to us

06-13-2015 , 02:11 PM

#7138

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ikes have you developed any hot takes on #gamergate recently?

06-13-2015 , 02:37 PM

#7139

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Fwiw I'm comfortable with the idea there could be a better way. We know only a tiny number of sexual assaulters are punished at all by colleges, so it's not like the system is working. More men need to be punished.

But all the criticisms from the MRAs is about stuff that can never be changed like having lawyers on both sides and experts to adjudicate etc. This is just far too expensive to implement and would lower the protection of women. Their suggestions take us in the wrong direction.

So what's the solution? What's ikes? Solution? Right, he refused to say.

06-13-2015 , 02:52 PM

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Note to 13ball, read the ****ing article, that way you won't have to scrape off so much egg off your face

Either you missed the point or you think it's impossible to sexually assault someone while blacked out. Either way: lolikes.

06-13-2015 , 03:08 PM

#7141

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yeah cool if you cut off the rest of the article they look like idiots!

06-13-2015 , 03:09 PM

#7142

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ITT people are totally confused how sometimes you can commit sex crimes while drunk and other times you can't consent to sex while drunk.

06-13-2015 , 03:10 PM

#7143

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

ikes have you developed any hot takes on #gamergate recently?

I know nothing about gamer gate and think it's hilarious that people have lives that circle around video games so much that **** becomes important. It's really pathetic to me. Go outside ffs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

I've come up with multiple proposals, why should I go over them again if you're not going to read them or dismiss them out of hand?

06-13-2015 , 03:14 PM

#7144

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

ITT people are totally confused how sometimes you can commit sex crimes while drunk and other times you can't consent to sex while drunk.

No one is confused. Let's go over what the school found.

- Guy was blackout drunk
- Girl gave blackout drunk guy head on her own initiation
- Girl withdrew consent
- Guy was blackout drunk so her account is taken at face value

Under that narrative, it's another raped each other story (which points to how ludicrous the standards are but whatever). With the text messages, it's clear that she raped him to get at her roommate...

and you're ****ing defending the system that found him guilty of rape.

06-13-2015 , 04:14 PM

#7145

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

I know nothing about gamer gate and think it's hilarious that people have lives that circle around video games so much that **** becomes important. It's really pathetic to me. Go outside ffs.

ikes you've made almost 1300 posts in this thread over the past 13 months. You've, incredibly, managed to supplant "defends people who murder unarmed black teenagers" with "anger bear furious about lying bitches framing bros for rape" as your primary role here.

06-13-2015 , 04:16 PM

#7146

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yup, and i don't give a **** about 2+2 journalism do I?

06-13-2015 , 04:51 PM

#7147

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

I don't know if she didnt withdraw consent. Neither do you. Neither do the two biased people writing about what happened based on what the guy says in his lawsuit.

06-13-2015 , 05:02 PM

#7148

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

yeah cool if you cut off the rest of the article they look like idiots!

?

The rest of the article doesn't redeem them. They should have led with the text messages instead of acting incredulous that someone could be expelled for sexual assault that occurred while his memory was impaired.

06-13-2015 , 05:05 PM

#7149

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Luckily, Reason made it super easy to understand what was going on by including a picture.

Your next avatar?

06-13-2015 , 05:05 PM

#7150

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

I don't know if she didnt withdraw consent. Neither do you. Neither do the two biased people writing about what happened based on what the guy says in his lawsuit.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They have the text messages from her talking about how SHE did him, how she initiated the action, and how she was lying about everything to the school investigators.

Not to mention, you're essentially saying that she raped him, then he raped her? Get a ****ing grip bro.

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