I took a position, and you ignored the post. Try again.

I have not been to American college as I haven't been in America. I have been to what would equate to college right here. Does that change how the modern world works ?

Except 70% or more students punished for sexual assault aren't even expelled...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5888742

Clearly the system has gone too far to punish men.

When you say "marked for life" you're just assuming, right? Like you don't actually know, you're just whining. As is your wont, I understand, and I'm not trying to keep you from doing what you love. Whine on, alpha bro, whine on.

But you are aware that WE are all aware that you are making it up, right? You know you're full of ****, we know you're full of ****, we know you know you're full of ****.

All up to speed?

So back to the subject at hand, nobody gives a **** about your ****ing fan fiction about what you think the misandrist dystopia of modern America must look like.

Edit: LOL this sounded familiar so I thought he was bringing it up again, but I searched the thread and FoldNDark, another rape apologist, was also whining about the imaginary consequences of what they must believe are public records.

Yes there is a reason for that and it's not "colleges support rapists".

As many itt continue to pretend never happens, a large percentage of college assault complaints involve 2 drunk students having consensual (at the time) sexual contact, where the question of incapacitation and the ability to freely offer consent are almost impossible to determine after the fact.

So they often choose a suspension as a middle ground when they are not sure. It is based on the situation, what kind of sexual contact took place, and how believable the board finds the complainant/respondent's version of events.

If you don't think colleges routinely suspend male students who the panel members suspect did nothing wrong, you've never served as part of a campus disciplinary hearing. It is probably the default punishment for cases where the girl was clearly not sober but clearly not passed out drunk, and who offered consent at the time.

Also some cases may involve lesser offenses such as unwanted kissing, touching, etc. that the board may feel warrants a suspension rather than expulsion.

revots- To set the stage here, while you are American, you've also never attended college, right?

Who the **** do you think is really interested in your ****ing brainstorm of how you imagine it could maybe work? You check books about misandry out from the public ****ing library!

Would be interested to know what suspended means here. If you suspend a kid for 2 years, then added all sorts of conditions for them to rejoin, you've expelled them.

ikes how come you weren't real interested to know any additional information about the "five consecutive cases" from the chain email in your OP?

Citation needed. You've completely begged the question here.

Nothing to see obviously. Not really rape in colleges. Just lots of girls changing their mind after the fact and going through all the stress of a hearing because... something something.

It's posts like this that I refer to when I say it doesn't seem like you think rape is a serious issue.

sexual assault as defined by colleges is nowhere near rape in colleges. You can't equate the two, sorry bro.

No interest in my challenge?

That is still sexual assault ffs! Your not arguing with him, just proving his point that many sexual assault are not treated seriously.

lol.... your challenge is ****ing dumb. Saying you're wrong doesn't mean that rape is good or ok. Sorry bro.

errr no. If so, pretty much every person in the god damn world has been sexually assaulted.... multiple times.

Revots, I know you will dismiss anything from jezebel out of hand, but it's the best summary of the study, and its well sourced.

http://jezebel.com/5404064/rapists-a...t-call-it-rape

6% of men admitted to rape or attempted rape when the question was phrased differently, with 4% admitting to multiple rapes, averaging nearly 6 attacks each

" one common assumption about date rape or "gray rape" — that it's usually the result of miscommunication and happens when good guys get the wrong idea — appears to be wrong. As Hess says, we hear a lot about "the acquaintance who 'misreads' the situation and 'goes too far'" and "the longtime friend who genuinely thought you had consented, and is shocked when you tell him that, no, it was rape." When we conceive of acquaintance-rapists this way, solutions tend to be woman-focused — women need to say 'no' louder, to avoid sending mixed signals, or, most upsettingly, to accept that the vagaries of sex are such that occasionally someone will just "accidentally" rape them. This thinking also trivializes date-rape and rape involving alcohol"

This idea that college rape is just a bunch of drunken mix ups is completely false.

6% of people will answer yes to just about any survey question. carry on. Further more, 6% out of 120 (probably 7 out of 120) is a laughably small sample size to try to establish that statistic with any sort of certainty. Error bar is huge there.

#socialsciencemath

Of course it's not. What I said is a large percentage of the complaints involve drunken sex. Some of these are real assaults when the woman is, in fact, too drunk to consent. Some are not.

Again I'm not minimizing rape. Gets a little tiring saying that, but evidently if you think rape is a genuine problem - but not an "epidemic" - you're pro-rape. If you think a drunk couple can have sex without it being assault, you're pro-rape. If you think the accused has rights to an impartial process, you're pro-rape. You're wrong but if it makes you feel morally superior then have at it.

It's 120 out of 1800...

So you concede you haven't made a single suggestion ITT on how to address the problems of sexual assault in colleges?

Constantly playing down the issue and offering nothing than scathing, bitter criticism of policies that are trying to do something... You are right, it doesn't mean you think rape is "okay" (obvious strawman is obvious) but it makes you an arsehole and part of the problem.

You are missing the category of, clearly sober enough to consent, says no, and gets raped anyway. That's what most rape accusations are, and dismissing rape as just an alcoholic confusion is why I have a problem with what you say.

I did read this.

I asked my daughter and at her school anyway in High School health they do talk about this. And of course I've talked about some of this as it's been appropriate (mostly don't go alone with a man, don't always do what you're told kind of stuff).

As I said before there are some wildly divergent numbers thrown around itt and I'm agnostic about them, but I'm not indifferent. I have two daughters and the oldest is in 10th grade. (Gets very good grades, will be going to college)

No. I actually have made suggestions... it just doesn't matter. You've set up a massively false dichotomy.
Constantly playing up the issue and offering the suspension of due process is far, far, far worse.

I'd argue your premise of that's what "most" accusations are. However in those cases you cite, it's clear that expulsion is the only acceptable response by the college.

But, seeing as how the majority end in suspensions and not expulsions, I don't think most cases are as cut and dried as you seem to think.

I suppose some colleges are just really bad at deciding the proper sanctions, but most are wary of potential lawsuits. They are not going to just suspend someone who forcibly raped someone who verbally said no. This is one of the reasons "yes means yes" is likely on its way to becoming the national college standard, since "no means no" has not proven strong enough where intoxicated students are involved, and colleges want to protect themselves from lawsuits.

Ikes, you don't get it. We just recognise that not only do college have the right to punish students they have the duty to do so in many cases. You are totally fine with suspending due process for fraud and theft but for sexual assault we live in some crazy world where colleges should be powerless to act? Wat?

lol what? No I'm not. Due process is required for these as well Phill. You have no idea what's going on. Do you think that 'due process' = 'criminal standards of justice'? Because lol you all day if so.