No, you're saying you'd disregard what she says happened.

How personally I've taken things? You started this by calling me a rape lover. I don't feel uncomfortable at all with my position. It's the current standard in basically all of American law. Do you feel uncomfortable that you can't make an argument without resorting to petty namecalling?

I'm having trouble believing you don't see there being an issue here. I'm not offering some rare fiction if I offer scenarios where girls are given so much alcohol that they can be taken advantage of.

If you had a drink with someone socially then fine.
The idea that you're going to get some girl drunk in the hopes that she'll sleep with you is pretty crappy in my book. I really find it odd that you find this controversial. Its pretty well known how alcohol can influence people including reducing their ability to act on their better judgement (or be aware of what's even happening to them.)

I don't think the implication was 100% of rapists rape 3-9x. I have to fly so can't even pull up the original but I don't think it even said they specifically rape that much (wasn't it sexual harrassment?)

gotta fly

Yeah you're wrong. #feelings is the difference between euthanasia and murder for example or between gift and theft or boxing and assault. The exact same interaction, you killing me, you taking something from me you punching me in the face is a crime or not depending on how I feel about it.

Again, we don't know if consent was given. That is literally the fact at issue in a date rape case.

There's an ongoing pervasive epidemic of having no ****ing idea how **** works, but now I think Your Boss, ikes, etc. are saying that colleges are punishing dudes when the girl says she consented, or even weirder in situations where the factz somehow showed she consented but later she says otherwise. Or something?

Just pure ****ing nonsense.

Again, we're working from the assumption that we do.

Like the feeling in the morning after is actually completely irrelevant, but if you guys would think about it, that's not what happens when a girl complains about rape. "I felt bad about it afterwards" does not set out an accusation of rape. "I did not consent at the time" is a rape accusation. "I felt bad about it afterwards" is what rape apologists CLAIM is the underlying subtext of that claim, but how far up your own asses are you to think that's what happens in reality? LOL MRAs.

How would Bob even be charged with rape? Let's say the third party disregarded what the woman (call her Jenn) said, and called the police to say that Jenn was raped.

Police: "So Jenn, we got a report that you were the victim of a sexual assault. We're here to help, tell us what happened."
Jenn: "I wasn't the victim of a sexual assault. What are you talking about?"

Not sure what is so complicated about this. I'm not talking about prosecuting anyone. It's a question checking out logical consistency, that's all.

This is about your (or whoevers) personal definition of rape.

Drunk woman.
Has sex.
Wouldn't have sex with guy sober.

Rape or not?

fyp

That makes the likelihood near 100%.

Are you saying there are zero cases of rape where it went unreported?

http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/04/oc...for-rape-under

http://www.thefire.org/sexual-assaul...cused-student/

There's lots of supporting material, including a long set of text messages where they plan to have sex, so click through everything. There's more links to direct source material.

However, cliffs are:
1) Girl-guy make plans to have sex
2) Girl sneaks into guys room over 24 minutes documented by text messages
3) They have, according to the school, consensual sex
4) The school rules the girl was too intoxicated to give consent, which clearly violates their own policy
5) The school ignores the boy was just as drunk.

Basically, it's precisely a case of drunk sex being classified by rape, with the best possible supporting evidence. Surely none of you support this decision?

Making **** up again I see. Please cite me saying anything about colleges discipline policies.

Obviously not.

No, I'm right.

The nicest way I can say this is I think you're confusing the perps intent with the victims feelings. Theft and murder having occurred is not contingent on how the victim feels about it afterwards...that's just incorrect, IDK what else to tell you.

Now the victim's feelings may influence whether or not charges are filed, which is relevant to this convo and hasn't been given adequate attention IMO.

lol, Your Boss is an ikestoys gimmick account

But:

lol. How about you think on Tom's statements a little longer before we give you the answer.

You believe that to be logically consistent itt, because Jenn was drinking, Jenn must say and believe that Bob raped her, even if she never said that, and doesn't believe that? That can't be correct, so guide us pls.

ikes- Let's assume that your A+ credible sources are right there. If someone misapplied the rules, that's bad, but I'm not sure what you want to be done about that.* Like there's apparently a court case appealing that decision, it will turn out one way or the other. I don't think Occidental had a "apply these rules incorrectly" policy, but if they did, I think we can all agree they should withdraw that.


*I know EXACTLY what you want, affirmation that PC feminazis are discriminating against mens, because of how this is just one front of the culture war that ikes knows he's losing. Day by day, your ****ty upbringing moves you farther from the societal mainstream, and that makes you angry.

P.S. Pro-tip, though, this sort of ****:
is not the sort of writing that objective normal people would use! The bizarre focus on this is a tell. It's what makes discovering that the author of that piece is a frequent contributor to The Daily Caller unsurpising: http://dailycaller.com/author/rshibley/

**** is just the culture war, like I said. The NRO guy whining about criminalizing flirting, this has become a thing with you people.

Again, this isn't difficult.

A woman not reporting something, for reasons from she's scared/embarrassed to her thinking it wasn't rape, doesn't change the underlying facts around what physically happened or the ability for consent to have been given.

lol you have ****ing nothing. If that's the best you can do you should just say 'yeah ike that's bad'.

Well, at least now, 2500 posts later, we finally have an actual example with at least some description.

Yes, we finally got a non-he said she said situation with documented proof of how the events went down. Do you support the colleges decision?