Yes it is very much considered. Not happy about it at all. re losing the 2nd ref - it's been much discussed here. It's is already depressing that no pro-EU leader has emerged and the case for Europe hasn't been made positively. Instead we have had a combination of fear and too much calling people stupid racists. Still have to hope for a better campaign if it comes to it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-before-brexit
I'm only saying it's 'one to watch'. It's a real thing that may even get the support of the Labour leadership if we have got that far.

75% chance
can will be kicked down the road
stalemate winter 2019/20 will be a rerun of stalemate winter 2018/19
everyone will hate Theresa May
25% chance
leave with no deal
everyone wakes up april 1st and finds the world is still spinning
remainers will hate Theresa May

A main "leave" selling line during another ref that would include an option to stay will regard the indignity of being made to vote again. How many previous non-voters will get to the polls ironically being inflamed by national pride and democratic zeal while previously they couldn't be bothered? "Leavers" will be stampeded to the polls. On the other side is project fear which was run before.

I think the project fear and calling people stupid racists is the best way the remain campaign can go forward, to get the result I want

Also helps to have Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Nick Clegg as cheerleaders.

How can you possibly lose?


PS. Don't forget the whole mood of 'just get on with it!' that is pervasive. Holding things up for a second ref will also annoy people who are feeling this and play against those seen as causing a further delay to try to get the result they want.

that post made me want a 2nd referendum

also the brexit movie sucked

What is this belief based on? My understanding is that we voted to leave as old people voted and young people didn't. If we had a second referendum I don't see young people making this mistake again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603

Yes. Quite. 3,500 jobs gone at Honda and a lot more than that in the Swindon area economy due to the knock-on effect. Swindon idiotically voted 54% Leave. Local MP bleats: 'It's not Brexit!' Clue: it's bloody Brexit. Ford is shutting down its UK plants as well, and BMW warned way back that they would bring the Mini plant's summer holiday shutdown forward to the spring, immediately after Brexit. That plant will never reopen, not for the long term. It won't be economic.

The entire automotive sector will go, just as the Brexitards' favourite economist Minford told Parliament. He said it just has to be run down, like steel and coal-mining in the Eighties. And what fun that was. What larks, eh? No, it was bloody awful. Parts of Britain were radically de-industrialised in the Thatcher recession from 1980 on. But at least the national economy was rescued by the services sector, including financial services which now account for about 20% of GDP. Unfortunately, Brexit will destroy all that as well. There will be nothing left for anyone to live on, except the 1% like Rees-Mogg and Redwood with their offshore investments.

I don't know what I want to see more - no deal brexit and the UK being beyond f***** for a few years or no brexit at all and the UK being torn apart by yellow vest types.

regular people dont own yellow vests in this country so the 2nd one cant happen

and you can't even legally eat the cat now Sad!

The future is pigeon unless you can't catch or shoot them, when it'll be rats.

Squirrel is a bit like cat

You might be just in time to catch the referendum following an agreement to pass May's deal in the HoC, which is being mooted as probably the only compromise acceptable to all parties other than diehard lunatics.

You sound a bit more ok with a remain vs may's deal referendum then last time I brought it up.

I'm uneasy about the lack of 'no deal' option for sort of moral reasons but otherwise I love it. Takes away all of the big risk for thre remain camp which had been putting us off a 2nd ref a bit.

LOL you think everyone except diehard lunatics will be OK with a referendum that has a no decent leave option but with a remain option?

That's cute.

There is no decent leave option.

Leave was funded by hostile foreign actors, coordinated by ultra rich elites who have captured news media, aided by corrupt politicians in the heart of government, worked with shady private sector spy agencies and has consistently lied unchecked before during and after the referendum.

That was when they were worried about the consequences. Now they know there are no consequences. Leave has all of the above and blue passports. All remain has are facts and logic.

We were threatened with a 1930s depression if we voted to leave even before we actually left. Employment rates have never been higher.

We were told interest rates might skyrocket like back in the early 90s thanks to Brexit and now Mark Carney says we probably have to keep interest rates low for years if we have a no deal Brexit.

Young people age as old people die. You have no advantage here.

The only young people I knew who voted remain anyway were those who thought they had legitimate career opportunities elsewhere in the EU. Once people know they will never leave the UK they prefer leave. Even my 22 year old blowhard antifa cousin who is always spamming facebook with his nonsense voted leave. Anecdotal I know.

Also, remain is about committing to allowing the EU to continue to gather power as there is no legitimate means to retract power for any individual country without leaving.

All you can do to stop this runaway train is try and slow it a bit (but it will always keep moving, it will never stop) or jump off.


What those on the train don't know is whether it will derail and crash or keep going till it gets to some promised land that most of them never said they wanted to get to anyway.

You're not able to speak for them.

This is true in general about how people become more conservative as they grow older but it isn't true on particular issues such as Europe because it's about what the world was like when we were younger.

i.e if you talk to older people about brexit they will often talk bitterly about the 1975 referendum and before (I have even had Charles de Gaulle given as the reason why we should leave). Younger people will have their own fixations from the past as they get older but it wont be that.

New Brexit meme - it is so perfect, as Brexiteers launch a terribly thought out plan with insufficient preparation and then stand there thinking they have done something great, when in fact they are *****.

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FYP.

And yes, Led By Donkeys is brilliant.

I see another car manufacturing plant is closing due to project fear. It seems there are no lengths the fearmongers won’t go to to dissuade the uk from reclaiming its sovereignty and striking superior trade deals with countries around the world.