Remain vs May's deal now polling 59-41.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-peoples-vote

And a startling 49% of 2017 Labour voters will switch away if Labour continues to support Brexit. So, Corbyn's fabled 'long game' not paying off too well there.

FYP.

Seen on FB today, ala 2nd referndum:

All you Brexiters do need to realize that you are the British equivalents of Trumpkins. In the equivalence, Corbyn is Hillary Clinton.

Lol

I think leavers are better off leaving the hysteria to remainers. They are way better to helping the leaver cause.

Corbyn is Bernie Sanders.

I tend to think of Farage as a bit like Ross Perot.

Showing my age.

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We must follow through with Brexit, despite it looking terrible it is the will of the Russian president.

I’m not sure I understand the left’s support for the EU. Italy wanted to have a more left-leaning budget. I’m guessing this had at least plurality support among Italy’s citizens. The Italian government got elected on a platform of not caving to the EU on this issue. Some stuff happens in Brussels, and presto, the Italians end up with one more big heaping plate of austerity. Same thing happened with Syriza in Greece.

I understand that there are a lot of right-wing nationalist sentiments driving the Brexit train, but should a left wing government ever be elected in an EU country, it seems like that government would be immediately blocked from implementing sorely needed fiscal/social reforms. God forbid the efficient extraction of wealth take a back seat to the quality of life of average citizens.

Brexit Brits, please sign this petition to leave the EU without a deal:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

We're up to 268,000, sign it to send a message to our unrepresentative Europhile Parliament.

No.

I read your post above, you're a remoaner so I wouldn't have expected you to sign it (hence "Brexit Brits", not "EU Remoaners").

So you wish to leave due to xenophobia?

The problem with their ideas is that you need a working tax system for that to work. You cant just give money to the people and not getting it from somewhere. Especially Greece has/had a huge problem with collecting taxes and having a very generous state apparatus. Italy has similar problems as well. In Germany the anti-EU party was founded because they opposed that we might have to bail Greece out in case they cant pay their debts. Its similar in Italy as well. Its not that we dont like a more left leaning program its just that the rest of the EU doesnt want to be the bailsmen if it goes wrong. Its just not popular to say first we start to collect all the taxes the state is owed and then we redistribute it.

Who are you, Cathy Newman?

Who are you, some low post count tarding up the thread with stupidity?

Left or centre-left? It would appear it's the latter which supports the EU, the former not so much.

The only stupid responses have been to my posts. Hoopie thought he was smart posting his "no" response when he didn't have to say anything at all, and Corpus Vile pulled xenophobia out of his jacksie for what reason I'm not sure. Both were responded to in kind.

Now we have you, another remoaner having a pop for no good reason.

No, "we" don't have me, "we" in this thread have a BS merchant like you.

Now **** off.

Off you go mate. If you can't handle contrary views without resorting to foul language, discussion forums aren't the best place for you.

The rest of the EU should have no business imposing on the Greeks and Italians the idea that they are not allowed to try some socialist experiment. Nobody has the expertise or right to do that from abroad.

Of course it follows that they shouldn't have any sort of federal links across the states either. Greece and Italy have no rights to impose costs on the rest of the EU for daft socialist experiments.

28 different daft experiments has a chance of accidentally producing some winners, and then everybody is in a better position. 1 shared daft experiment is a crazy leap into the dark.

You have discussed nothing. Also its an objective reality that does not need discussing that anyone who wants a no deal is a moron. Same goes for grown adults using the word remoaner.

That said, please tell us in detail why you want to destroy the UK economy with no deal, I could use a laugh over Christmas. However I am 99% sure I allready know what you are going to say.

You clearly haven't read any of this thread and are just spamming it with a link.

You're not contribution to the debate, merely posting links over and over again to your sad little petition that Parliament will never support anyway because most of them, unlike you, have at least some semblance of intelligence.

The EU rather took the wind out of the remainer no-deal disaster scenarios the other day with the release of their plans for most things to continue as per. Remainer scare stories have gone from "Planes won't fly", to "Christmas dinner might be a bit more expensive next year".