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The whole remain should have campaigned X way is moot.

If they had put all their energy into Brexit = More Browns less Whites, that would have won the referendum for remain.

12-20-2018 , 06:47 AM

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Ignoring the fact that this is a claim that remain should have campaigned X way good luck to anyone awful enough to make that part of the campaign. Weirdly it's not preventing some remainers from promoting that view now.

But then both campaigns were ****ing awful.

12-20-2018 , 06:58 AM

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Your I will take posts completely literally meter is broken.

12-20-2018 , 06:58 AM

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Yeah, they were both terrible. It's just remain was both terrible and ineffective (and often counter-effective)

Watching Cameron grin like a tool whilst Obama said voting leave would be very, very bad and we would have to sit on the naughty step turned a few percent on its own, I reckon.

12-20-2018 , 07:04 AM

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Your I will take posts completely literally meter is broken.

Okay so you just wanted to find a newish way of calling leave voters racist. You know that there are actually remainers making this point?

In any case more brown people less white people is actually a reason to vote for Brexit.

12-20-2018 , 07:07 AM

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Just in reference to an earlier debate.

US raised interest rates today. Pound is UP against the Dollar.

12-20-2018 , 07:11 AM

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Okay so you just wanted to find a newish way of calling leave voters racist. You know that there are actually remainers making this point? Do you realise there are actually remainers making this point.

In any case more brown people less white people is actually a reason to vote for Brexit.

Yes, because its true, dont know why you had to say it twice.

Also in seriousness if more leave voters understood that leave meant more brown immigration, and that immigration numbers would probably not decline dramatically anyway, Leave never wins.

I also point you to Nigel Farage's enough is enough poster showing a queue of brown people trying to enter the UK.

Leave intentionally campaigned on the idea that leave meant less brown people. Because they understood their constituency.

12-20-2018 , 07:23 AM

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Leave intentionally campaigned on the idea that leave meant fewer immigrants full stop, sure Farage played on the idea that the refugee crisis would leave to increased numbers of refugees but the opposition to immigration while racist didn't require fewer brown people specifically just fewer migrants.

The problem with making this point in the way I have seen it made is not that it's not true it's that it entails this is a bad thing which it isn't.

12-20-2018 , 07:32 AM

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Your never going to convert those that thinks its bad into people that that thinks its good over the course of a referendum campaign.

If you want to cynically win (which is exactly how leave played it) you play to the crowd/mob/voters.

Sorry, not going to even entertain that if more leave voters really understood that leave just meant substituting white "christian" immigration with Brown non christian immigration leave never wins as something that is debatable.

12-20-2018 , 07:40 AM

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I'd vote leave under those circumstances but I take the point many who voted leave may not have but many would be arguing they are voting for being able to control immigration which is the out you give them.

Also anyone from remain campaigning on that would drive away remain voters because of the crassness of the campaign.

Like think for a minute what you are saying to non white remainers if you centre the claim that leaving means more non white migrants

12-20-2018 , 07:51 AM

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It obviously isn't key, but I was sympathetic to East London's complaint that they had trouble recruiting chefs with relevant skills because our immigration policy was racist and/or xenophobic. And [Punjabi Lamb > Pierogi] by several orders of magnitude, so who wouldn't be in favour of fixing that failure?

12-20-2018 , 07:55 AM

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Run that element of the campaign through back channels, such as social media russia style. If anything the more libtard snowflake tears the better.

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More non Eu immigration than EU immigration so seems unlikely.

12-20-2018 , 08:00 AM

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It doesn't need to be absolutely more, just incrementally more fair.

12-20-2018 , 08:02 AM

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It doesn't need to be absolutely more, just incrementally more fair.

Insert Nigel Farage poster here.

DUCY?

You are either being dishonest or ignorant.

12-20-2018 , 08:09 AM

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Maybe I wan't clear. I don't want it not to be more either. It just should not be based on the country of origin, in which case ROW immigration would probably form a larger share than it currently has, and that is therefore a good thing; flippantly because better food, ideologically because obviously better not to discriminate.

12-20-2018 , 08:44 AM

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Run that element of the campaign through back channels, such as social media russia style. If anything the more libtard snowflake tears the better.

Or just not and maybe actually try to make the case that immigration is a right, but we can't do that because it's a right in terms of the EU which means it's not actually much of a right.

That and it would be super-transparent and offensive to non white Brits and British residents.

Also you can go <insert Farage poster here> but the fact remains the EU is a number of post colonial powers trying to maintain their position in the world sans colonies, wealthy mainly because of colonies with a account of FoM that privileges predominantly white Europeans.

12-20-2018 , 09:31 AM

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A bit of an aside, but Angela Rayner is starting to impress me a little on the labour side. I always felt she was a Corbyn mouthpiece like Long-Bailey, but she's becoming more distinct and more stand out the last few times I've seen her on something.

Like she's not just a lefty duckspeaker, but actually cares about things.

12-20-2018 , 01:23 PM

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You got me! Read Estonia for Poland.

Or, maybe not? Based on this opinion, and taking 'invade' figuratively, being a satellite state to the USSR does sound a lot like being in the EU outside the Euro.

The EU and USSR are not similar. This comparison is asinine.

12-20-2018 , 01:31 PM

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The EU and USSR are not similar. This comparison is asinine.

Yeah one's an opaque autocracy that seeks to tighten its grip on member countries and always seeks to consolidate its power.

The other is the USSR.

I'll be here all week, folks!

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12-20-2018 , 02:03 PM

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https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...04655152783360

12-20-2018 , 02:54 PM

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The EU and USSR are not similar. This comparison is asinine.

Welcome to the asinine analogies thread.

12-20-2018 , 05:40 PM

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Curse those foreign presidents interfering.

Well, apart from Putin, obviously, he's fine.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-of-the-people

12-20-2018 , 05:50 PM

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lol remainers being corrected about democracy by a Russian dictator makes them salty (even funnier cos they know he's right)

12-20-2018 , 06:12 PM

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Watching Cameron grin like a tool whilst Obama said voting leave would be very, very bad and we would have to sit on the naughty step turned a few percent on its own, I reckon.

Yes, it was a poor use of Obama by the remain campaign. Even more so considering he handed over the people who ran his presidency campaign to Cameron and offered to say anything about the vote that they wanted when he gave a speech. Having him stand up and tell us doing trade deals would be bad/slow seems a bit meh.