https://www.google.com/amp/s/blogs.s...eus-fault/amp/

Good article about how EU is coercive, not collaborative.

congratulations to all the miserable bastards who voted for this

Shock horror, people from other countries need to apply to live in this country.

what an awful outlook. How dare you come to the uk with your uppity ideas and dreams. About time you passed an arbitrary knowledge test, you cretin!

So should anyone from any nation get free unrestricted entry?

A more interesting and novel question is whether Michael Gove will change any of his attitudes to immigrants or the NHS after personally experiencing the "wonderful team at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital for their kindness and professionalism this Christmas - especially the superb trauma surgeon Mr Ibrahim".

Gove Junior's home alone mishap

Yes.

it's unreasonable for people who have lived here for long periods on the basis of their rights as EU citizens.

One of my family, not untypical, was here for 30 years before the brexit vote. She's British now thankfully but the hoops and stress (and time and cost) we're ridiculous. It was also a very close thing because it's not just the test (which I would have failed without studying). EU citizens have found themselves having to retrospectively meet requirements that they never envisaged e.g. health insurance that they never needed and proving they were in the country enough despite there having been no need and no reason to keep evidence.

I don't know how this settlement scheme will work in practice but I damn glad we're not having to rely on it.

Do you support the EU?

Cos they don't do this. They require member countries to give preferential treatment to some groups, which seems specifically excusive at best, racist at worst.

Well, they will now. Because we're about to drop out of the EU and hence out of the Dublin Agreement, which allowed us to send asylum-seekers back to their first EU state of entry (and it's never the UK) for vetting. We won't be able to do that any more, we'll be kind of outside the law, which will make us a rather obvious target for the clients of people-traffickers, leading to a vast increase in cross-Channel rubber-boat arrivals. Lacking any agreement with our neighbours, we'll be stuck with those people.

Oh dear, we'll be out of the ever-comforting arms and truly "democratic" processes of the good old EU, what a total tragedy that will be.

How on earth do all the other countries of the world actually stay functional when they aren't members of the EU?

Not just the leave side is capable of putting forward rather nasty arguments.

No need to worry about this after the no deal Brexit. British will have no special privileges for entering the EU.

Only of the many benefits of leaving is no longer being party to the EU's protectionist closet racism.

There is nothing 'nasty' about it. Border control will become more, not less, difficult in the event of Brexit. As will everything else.

lol

Then sad thing is that there's some truth to it. The attitude to Turkey joining was a stark example and the rise of the far right and racist forces in many member countries is starkly obvious.

This is a depressing story https://www.politico.eu/article/migr...ats-from-pact/

As far as I know it's just some EU countries and the USA objecting

but I'm not sure any significant number of people wanted to leave the EU for this reason and in my view the UK leaving strongly increases the risk that the EU will continue to move rightwards.

Tory and Labour MPs to force Brexit delay if May's deal is voted down

Worth pointing out the soft Brexit with almost indefinite delays is what people predicted as most probable outcomes pretty much as soon as the referendum happened.

Yes but that was before the true deplorability of middle aged gammon males became clear - attacking foreigners verbally and physically. Who knows how they'll react when it finally dawns on them that they're not getting the Brexit they want?

It's Britain that's leaving the EU because it doesn't like immigration ...

No, they insist they're leaving because of this thing they can't define called sovereignty.

I always thought that was what Ireland and Scotland can't have.

I'm pretty sure it's already defined dude. There's these things called 'dictionaries'....

It's the ability of a state to govern itself, if you're having trouble.

indefinite delays is probably going to be unstable but it can be 'indefinite' in the short term . Parliament asserting itself has been clearly on the cards for a while - some serious good can come of this if more people realise we vote for MPs and not party leaders.

Xmas has been tough - how are we supposed to survive a week without any brexit news. 2019 is going to be a most interesting year.