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My 1st twit, err tweet.

thats like the worst thing she did, shutting down free speech because it offends you is not a good policy believe it or not

BitchiBee unsurprisingly ignorant of anti-hate laws.

would you agree that for most people in the world right now the idea of, no border no nations, is terrifying?

why would you assume that the "arrow of history" would go this way

yeah I feel bad for you guys that you don't have a first amendment

We've done pretty well without a written constitution (other than Magna Carta and bits of the Union act), relying on common sense and convention instead. I guess if we were a pea-brained nation of fearful hysterics prone to electing quasi-fascists, a fuller constitution would make sense.

Not a free speech issue. No-one has an automatic right to a visa between USA and UK citizens in either direction. No-one is censuring his website or books or disciples are they?

Lol, well said.

Evidence and feeling. Long term of course. Britain's "brexit" will paradoxically speed up the process locally in Europe if handled right. But you took/are taking a great risk, not usually a friend of that. Because of the great losing possibility.

It was rather ironic she took the opportunity of everyone celebrating free speech after Charlie Hebdo was attacked to bring in new restrictions to free speech. It was literally the same week she was talking je suis charlie and that Britain needs to crack down on what people say.

She all pushed for a number of anti civil liberty measures including earlier this year introducing a plan to force ISPs to store everyone's browsing history.

There is also the so called snooper charter that essentially ends privacy in basically every form of unencrypted communication.

all you did was give him 15 mins of fame

and don't be faceious, anti hate laws were the reason

Wasn't there going to be a "send your emails to Theresa May" day? The idea was that as she needed to know, everyone would CC her into every email they sent on that particular day. I don't know if it ever happened or not though.

Pretty much every home secretary goes native in the job and tries to introduce this kind of thing. I can't think of one in my time who was any different.

I'm a big supporter of anti-hate/etc laws. I'd consider censoring his speech as well if it strays into being pro-rape but as a matter of fact that's not what was actually done by May who didn't censor anything.

whats your evidence

and why does brexit speed up the process

Barred Pamela Geller from coming to address an EDL rally as well.

It's actually just a matter of discretion in admitting people to the country. If they're undesirable individuals whose presence is not conducive to the public good -- i.e. they'll make trouble -- they won't necessarily get in. And the US does the same all the time, more than any other Western nation.

My bold.

Dangerous ground. I didn't think you were such a closet big brother fan but I think you have espoused similar looney notions before. I forgive you of course. You can't help yourself. Must be a hidden Anglican streak that breaks out occasionally in spasms of sanctimonious morality. Nice to see you have this latent capability.

Have the brits censored the airwaves and print media from reporting on Thump's speeches and pronouncements? Are children's ears plugged with cotton? Are his images airbrushed out of all photos? Is it against the law to compare Trump's hairdo to that of Boris Johnston?

Ah, but this too shall pass. On to Brexit. Let's stay on topic.

Boris Johnson is a liar with his back to the wall, says French FM

To slander back at the French FM: 'wogs' begin at Calais. A remark that someone [George Wigg, Labour MP for Dudley] long ago aimed at Winston Churchill ("he thinks wogs begin at Calais").

Increased connectedness across the world. This forum can serve as an example.
People may realize it's better to be in than being out. It's all the fuss.

Yet more pompous drivel. "Wog" here is akin to the N word in the USA.

The opposite is more likely to occur.

But I agree it will lead to more integration. The reason is that Europe responds to every failure with more integration.

Wow jal - you're a mind reader! I've just been reading your (and chez's) comments concerning Prime Minster May's appointment of Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. Before I read your posts, I was thinking about posting a question of my own to you guys, namely: "What is going on with this Boris Johnson appointment!?"

My first thought when I heard this on Bloomberg TV (yesterday) was: "Theresa May is either a genius or an idiot - I'm not sure which." My second thought was: Mrs. May might be even more calculating and devious than Francis Urquhart. The thought occurred to me that it's just a bit too convenient for all the stars to line up just right and Mrs. May winds up as Britain's next PM. A conspiracy buff (or a poker player) might think that Mrs. May outplayed (owned) Johnson, Gove, Farage, Leadsom - and maybe even David Cameron? (I really wonder if it's possible she saw all this coming a long time ago and realized that if "Remain" lost and she played her cards just right, she could come out on top - which is exactly what has happened.)

On second (and third) thought, the appointment of Boris Johnson may be a masterstroke. One of our former Presidents, Lyndon B. Johnson, when questioned as to why he made a controversial appointment, famously said (I'm paraphrasing slightly): "I would rather have [so and so] pissing on me from inside the tent than pissing on me from outside the tent."

By keeping Boris "inside the tent," Mrs. May has effectively neutralized him - he won't be pissing on her (in public) while he's a member of her Government. Boris will have to watch himself and practice trying to control his mouth. If an inopportune "slip of the tongue" creates an international uproar, Mrs. May will probably have to dismiss him. If he goofs bad enough, any future chance he has of becoming PM [himself] may go right down the drain along with his poorly considered words. (I suppose the Big Question is whether or not Boris is capable of controlling his mouth?)

When one takes all this into consideration, one wonders if the biggest mistake any British politician can make is underestimating Theresa May. Judging by her first few steps, she may be one very cool operator. (If she manages to get Britain through Brexit while simultaneously holding the Kingdom together and avoiding an economic calamity; she'll have to be ranked in the Top Five of Britain's Greatest PMs. I wish her well.)

The appointment of all these prominent leavers in their new positions is genius imo.

I posted this just yesterday in safe spaces thread: (bold added)

and jalfrezi is right about the W word. maybe it has a different usage in the US but it's very bad here. The brilliantly satirical bigoted major scene in Fawlty Towers is usually cut now for being way too OTT. Starts with the immortal lines:
but then ...
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...major-gowen-is

Well said Chez. But then-

Free speech and freely offensive speech and expression between certain individuals (you and I in a pub in London for example) is easily attained. Collectively within society as a whole it does become more nuanced. But given those very nuances, they can be subverted for draconian ends. It is dicey. We are probably in closer agreement on this than I would admit. But I disagree with the quoted statement and its ramifications. But that is off topic and should be discussed elsewhere anyway. I’m done with it here.

The origin of wog is somewhat cloudy and the subsequent evolution of the word and its branching meaning(s) is interesting, most Americans are ignorant of its very existence and most certainly of the nature of how venomous it apparently is. I grew interested in its origin having come across its use by Salman Rushdie*. Rushdie took the word on as a badge of honor (Dick Gregory style) as an excellent counterpunch. A singular and individual choice that works well at close quarters and in familiar groups but collectively within society as a whole usually equates to misinterpretation and complete failure. See Mark Twain as an additional example for another use of a word of venomous terminology that ends in failure for many.

* His book, Joseph Anton: A Memoir

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Back to the Brits and their Brexit entanglement.

Maybe yes. Let Boris & C: o get as good a deal as they can, Norway style. Then have a new referendum where it will be underlined the UK should have a saying. And then The People votes Remain accordingly. How about that?

Yes, Prime Minister.

Voting Norway style will not be a catastrophe either, just showing England-Wales are a bit ******ed, making the rest of Europe feel a bit better. The EU may need its own "village idiot"!