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07-14-2016 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by miller62
Anyone still saying Bernie was grifting is obviously trolling
Well said, but fyp.

Bit of a $hit sandwich for Bernie, but he did the right thing imo.
07-14-2016 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by miliboo
Bit of a $hit sandwich for Bernie, but he did the right thing imo.
Non grifters don't get themselves in spots where former supporters turn on them for doing the obviously correct thing that was practically inevitable from the start.
07-14-2016 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
Non grifters don't get themselves in spots where former supporters turn on them for doing the obviously correct thing that was practically inevitable from the start.
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But why do you keep hearing all these stories about grumpy old ladies still hung up on Hillary Clinton, the ones who’re threatening to make a scene at the Democratic convention in Denver, or vote for John McCain in November?

To be fair, it’s not just women. There are plenty of Clinton supporters of every demographic description who are still ticked. But yes, it’s true that the Clinton base skewed female, and that women over 30 are the most vocal of the malcontents. Some of them are calling themselves“PUMAs”*(as in “Party Unity My Ass”), an acronym that makes them sound, appropriately enough, like*cougars*in a very bad mood. Who are these women, and why are they such buzzkills?
Seems like the same thing happens every election no matter who's running, grifter or not


http://www.salon.com/2008/06/23/pumas/

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 07-14-2016 at 02:48 PM.
07-14-2016 , 02:49 PM
That's closer to the opposite of what I'm talking about, which was Bernie supporters turning negative on Bernie. The PUMAS werent claiming that Clinton stabbed them in the back or conned them into supporting her. They were mad at the dem party and Obama. Getting your feelings hurt and disliking the candidate that beat yours is of course totally standard.

Last edited by dessin d'enfant; 07-14-2016 at 02:55 PM.
07-14-2016 , 02:54 PM
The article mentions being angry at Hillary as well.
07-14-2016 , 03:15 PM
Sorry, on my phone so didn't bother with the link. Assumed you were quoting the relevant part.
07-14-2016 , 10:36 PM
Looks like Bernie was in a lose-lose situation.

Endorse Hillary and get accused of selling out.
Do not endorse Hillary and get accused of helping Trump.
07-15-2016 , 12:15 AM
For better or worse, I happen to be in near-daily contact with a few college-aged kids who are eligible to vote in their first election. They're totally into it, and they have been for months. I know five of them, and know of four others (their friends) by name. So here's the rundown:

Up until Bernie endorsed hillary, eight of these kids were total Bernie devotees. It's been that way for months. There's also one who always thought that Bernie was a compete idiot, and he was busy studying all of the potential alternatives - green, trump, libertarian, anything but hillary. By the way, this kid is the only one who is crushing his college classes, and he's in the toughest program by far. He's also the only one who actually knows all the issues, the candidates and the news. He's just a smart kid.

Now after Bernie's endorsement, it seems to break down like this: 2 green, 3 libertarian, 3 trump, with the smart kid explaining to everyone else what these other choices are. But he's still undecided, wants to keep digging in.

But for at least this little group of millenials, it's 0 for 9 for Hillary.

Edit: Obviously anecdotes aren't proof of anything, but there's definitely something going on. Oh, and lol Bernie for selling out

Last edited by frommagio; 07-15-2016 at 12:21 AM.
07-15-2016 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
For better or worse, I happen to be in near-daily contact with a few college-aged kids who are eligible to vote in their first election. They're totally into it, and they have been for months. I know five of them, and know of four others (their friends) by name. So here's the rundown:

Up until Bernie endorsed hillary, eight of these kids were total Bernie devotees. It's been that way for months. There's also one who always thought that Bernie was a compete idiot, and he was busy studying all of the potential alternatives - green, trump, libertarian, anything but hillary. By the way, this kid is the only one who is crushing his college classes, and he's in the toughest program by far. He's also the only one who actually knows all the issues, the candidates and the news. He's just a smart kid.

Now after Bernie's endorsement, it seems to break down like this: 2 green, 3 libertarian, 3 trump, with the smart kid explaining to everyone else what these other choices are. But he's still undecided, wants to keep digging in.

But for at least this little group of millenials, it's 0 for 9 for Hillary.

Edit: Obviously anecdotes aren't proof of anything, but there's definitely something going on. Oh, and lol Bernie for selling out


He's not that smart if he's spending this much time thinking about it.
07-15-2016 , 06:16 AM
Remember when Ron Paul lost the Republican nomination and endorsed Mitt Romney?

Me neither.
07-15-2016 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
They agree on the majority of issues, differences on other issues are a matter of degree, the most productive thing Bernie can do is start a tea party like effort to move the party left in Congressional primaries and build up a young progressive bench, and Hillary is running against the legit WOAT candidate who, if elected, will set back Bernie's causes for somewhere between years and a generation

Lol at being butt hurt he endorsed Hillary
Bros are absolutely delusional and childish
07-15-2016 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Looks like Bernie was in a lose-lose situation.

Endorse Hillary and get accused of selling out.
Do not endorse Hillary and get accused of helping Trump.
Meh, for everything you can probably find a few people who don't like it. If I had the time I'm sure I could find some blog posts about people complaining that Obama shouldn't have accepted Hillary's endorsement because of the race stuff she did. Once you look at Bernie's past, that of pushing hard as he can and then taking the practical route on legislation, and the fact that most of his supporters were going to support Hillary based on their polling; then it's all just run of the mill, loser of the race endorses the winner of the race, with the media finding stories.
07-15-2016 , 11:52 AM
Atleast Madoff victims got some money back, or 50% I believe.

Bernie swindled 200 million by donating it into corporate media America. Nice plane rides to see the pope, salaries for his family. Donating what he had left to Hillary. Essentialky redistributing money from the poor to the rich. The irony.

Hilarious.
07-15-2016 , 11:53 AM
LOL this made my day

Love his hair btw, he is a great man though. Would love to see him as a president!
07-16-2016 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Atleast Madoff victims got some money back, or 50% I believe.

Bernie swindled 200 million by donating it into corporate media America. Nice plane rides to see the pope, salaries for his family. Donating what he had left to Hillary. Essentialky redistributing money from the poor to the rich. The irony.

Hilarious.
After the endorsement Hillary probably rubbed $27 on her titties.
07-16-2016 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Atleast Madoff victims got some money back, or 50% I believe.

Bernie swindled 200 million by donating it into corporate media America. Nice plane rides to see the pope, salaries for his family. Donating what he had left to Hillary. Essentialky redistributing money from the poor to the rich. The irony.

Hilarious.
this post is hilarious. Your lawnmower is in orbit over a commercial flight to europe. Pure grift right there.
07-16-2016 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Looks like Bernie was in a lose-lose situation.

Endorse Hillary and get accused of selling out.
Do not endorse Hillary and get accused of helping Trump.
Or have principles, but he's a career politician so what do you expect.
07-16-2016 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Or have principles, but he's a career politician so what do you expect.
How is the endorsement not principled?

What does Bernie have to gain?

He won't get money. He won't be VP. He'll never be POTUS or any office higher than US Senator. As the Senator with the highest approval rating, he doesn't need any help with elections in Vermont. It won't help him sell books or get high priced speaking engagements.

He sacrificed to make this endorsement and he did it for the benefit of the people of the United States and the world.

Principled.
07-16-2016 , 12:03 PM
He campaigned on getting rid of corruption, taking money/wall street out of politics. Then he just endorsed the most bought corrupt politician. How is that principled?
07-16-2016 , 01:50 PM
Because at this point it's what's best for the people. That's the principle.

Policy comes first. Corruption leads to bad policy, but Trump leads to worse. It was never about the bad optics or other trivia of being close to wall street or other donors. It was about the real impact on policy. Still, Trump is worse. The principle is simply what is best for most people.

Last edited by microbet; 07-16-2016 at 01:56 PM.
07-16-2016 , 02:04 PM
Also lol at Hillary being the most corrupt politician ever. Such childish hyperbole.
07-16-2016 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Also lol at Hillary being the most corrupt politician ever. Such childish hyperbole.
Agree, and I shouldn't have let that just slide. She's not criminally corrupt. In a way it's much harder for Republicans to be corrupt because they just flat out say, "what's good for Exxon is ok by me." But Halibuton and Bechtel sending us into wars "for Democracy and the rule of law" vastly eclipse being a booster for frackers or voting for industry/donor written bankruptcy bills.
07-16-2016 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Also lol at Hillary being the most corrupt politician ever. Such childish hyperbole.
Sure, you have like the entire Harding administration and whatnot, but the Clintons are exemplars of how the private sector has taken over the public from the inside-out. The Clinton Foundation is an egregious example of pure corruption that is allowed to exist right in front of our eyes and doesn't even have to cloak itself in seedy backrooms.

She might not be the most corrupt politician ever, but very few have just thrown it in our faces so obviously as the Clintons have. In any sane world where laws apply to elites as well, the Clintons are in jail ten times over (and not for boinking some intern, of course, but for crimes whose allowance is part of the Republican platform and thus cannot be prosecuted).
07-16-2016 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad Childress
Sure, you have like the entire Harding administration and whatnot, but the Clintons are exemplars of how the private sector has taken over the public from the inside-out.
If you ignore the entirety of the Republican Party you might have a point.

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The Clinton Foundation is an egregious example of pure corruption that is allowed to exist right in front of our eyes and doesn't even have to cloak itself in seedy backrooms.

She might not be the most corrupt politician ever, but very few have just thrown it in our faces so obviously as the Clintons have. In any sane world where laws apply to elites as well, the Clintons are in jail ten times over (and not for boinking some intern, of course, but for crimes whose allowance is part of the Republican platform and thus cannot be prosecuted)
So they should be in jail for doing legal things out in the open? Those monsters!

This isn't a right wing chain email, you can't just say "Clinton foundation is a slush fund ergo jail" and have everyone nod along knowingly. You have to show your work outside the echo chamber.
07-16-2016 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
He campaigned on getting rid of corruption, taking money/wall street out of politics. Then he just endorsed the most bought corrupt politician. How is that principled?
C'mon, dude. You thought he WASN'T going to endorse her if she was the nominee?

      
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