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06-11-2016 , 02:33 PM

#9226

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Originally Posted by TalkingDonkey

yeah the historical revision of Hillary by people born in the 1990s is just unreal

she went from a communist who wanted European style health care to a conservative war criminal according to 20 year olds

saw a comment from a 25 year old who cited her Muslim faith to say Clinton and trump were the same to her. right, the guy who literally doesn't acknowledge your right to exist and wants to ban you from the country is exactly the same as the one who doesn't

Two different narratives. On the right any left leaning person is automatically a communist, not true on the left.

06-11-2016 , 02:36 PM

#9227

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Originally Posted by grizy

Hilldawg supporters were loyal democrats to begin with though. Sanders supporters are more likely to go back to their preferred forms of escapist fantasy than to vote for a viable candidate with real ideas and the ability to realize them.

The bolded is how you know this is simply tribalism and not any actual analysis.

06-11-2016 , 04:21 PM

#9228

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Hilldawg, even as FLOTUS with no official power, was by all accounts highly instrumental in healthcare reform.

She was on influential committees even during GOP years. Rhetorics for Fox consumption aside, there is no doubt even Republicans respect Hillary's sheer competence.

Last edited by grizy; 06-11-2016 at 04:28 PM.

06-11-2016 , 04:30 PM

#9229

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But sh*t still ain't going to get done. She and everyone else has no ability to get anything done.

In 3 weeks after Sanders is forgotten this magical ability to get things done will be "I would like to get things done but the Republicans won't let me"

06-11-2016 , 04:34 PM

#9230

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Except she did. She was one of the chief architects of Bill's "triangulation" strategy

06-11-2016 , 04:38 PM

#9231

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Even as FLOTUS she did effectively lobby for NAFTA and with Democrats voting against it, it did take some lobbying.

06-11-2016 , 04:46 PM

#9232

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Originally Posted by grizy

Except she did. She was one of the chief architects of Bill's "triangulation" strategy

Not to minimize her input, but the Democratic Leadership Council was formed in 1985 and they recruited Bill Clinton in 1989. Al Gore as part of the Committee on Party Effectiveness probably deserves more credit for triangulation (as well as the invention of the internet) in the early 80s.

06-18-2016 , 02:12 AM

#9233

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In his online address Thursday Bernie called for his supporters to volunteer to run for office - here's the results so far:

Change happens from the bottom up!

06-18-2016 , 08:28 AM

#9234

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Don't show me what they want to do in an online poll, show me what they do irl

06-18-2016 , 08:41 AM

#9235

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Lol the snark is real. Meanwhile, Hillary's supporters want to put #ImWithHer in their Twitter bio and argue that they were instrumental in her getting elected.

06-18-2016 , 08:51 AM

#9236

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Don't show me what they want to do in an online poll, show me what they do irl

Ok, I'll keep you updated.

For now, there were 7000 replies within 24 hours of Bernie's call

https://go.berniesanders.com/win

How many people follow through and stay committed remains to be seen.

Once I move im hoping to get involved locally as well, wherever that may be.

06-18-2016 , 09:43 AM

#9237

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I'm trying to get a friend of mine to run for something.

06-18-2016 , 10:03 AM

#9238

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

Lol the snark is real.

Snark? No, this is past disappointment with Obamas youth support. I'm hoping the sanders supporters will turn out more than the once every four years Obamas fans did, but it remains to be seen.

Believe me, nothing would make me happier than youth turnout increasing and more liberal candidates holding elected office.

06-18-2016 , 10:07 AM

#9239

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I don't think anyone would argue against more people being involved in politics and running for office. Considering what we are seeing right now, seems like more choices would only be an extremely positive thing.

06-18-2016 , 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by imjosh

It's very very important. Here in Alabama one of the Democratic party's biggest problems (besides it being Alabama) is that people very rarely are even willing to run on the Democratic ticket for anything. This means most local races have a Republican primary and that winner wins the seat by default. This misses the chance for Democrats to get a message out, increase voter registration, build a GOTV operation. All of these things cost money and you need a candidate who can raise it and get people active and inspired, even if he or she has no chance in hell of winning.

06-19-2016 , 01:15 PM

#9241

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congrats on a good race Bernouts. you won the white vote by a large margin and you should be very proud.

06-19-2016 , 02:02 PM

#9242

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An expensive reminder that Sanders still hasn’t dropped out: His Secret Service detail

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7a0_story.html

06-20-2016 , 02:18 AM

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http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1995/roll725.xml

The infamous Crime Bill set the sentencing disparity for crack and powdered cocaine. The sentence for selling $225 in crack was the same as $50000 of powdered cocaine. I think everyone knows this, but there was a sentencing commission shortly afterwards that recommended equalizing the sentences and it was supported by Janet Reno. That correction of the tragedy of the racist sentencing disparity would have taken effect except there was a bill blocking the sentencing commission's recommendations that was signed by Bill Clinton over the opposition of 71 Democrats in the House and Bernie Sanders.

06-20-2016 , 07:58 AM

#9244

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Originally Posted by DCUERVO

congrats on a good race Bernouts. you won the white vote by a large margin and you should be very proud.

The success or failure of the Bernie movement is now up to the Berners such as myself. If we get active, get involved, and demand our part in this democracy incredible change could happen. I hope people learn more about our government for one thing and realize that President is not the only important position in our government. A huge wave of Bernie voters showing up to vote in 2016 and 2018 could make a vast difference in how those elections turn out. Or we could all just decide to give up and go away, and we'll have more of the same.

06-20-2016 , 08:02 AM

#9245

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Would be nice if those folks could move the country to the left the same way the religious nutters moved it to the right.

Without a strong thing to focus on, though, I'm a bit skeptical.

06-20-2016 , 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Would be nice if those folks could move the country to the left the same way the religious nutters moved it to the right.

Without a strong thing to focus on, though, I'm a bit skeptical.

There's plenty to focus on. We've got income inequality, mass incarceration, the insanity of the War on Drugs, lack of anti-discrimination protections, bringing back the basic right to collectively bargain, raising the minimum wage, making college more affordable, expanding healthcare to more people through Obamacare now and getting single-payer passed eventually. It's not a single-issue platform. There's something there for a lot of different Bernie folks to chew on. Pick your favorite issue and get your hands dirty, Bernie Bros.

06-20-2016 , 08:15 AM

#9247

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The NRA and religious right are successful because they're focused on one or two things. Having thirty different planks could lead to an aimless platform that ultimately goes nowhere.

Certainly hope I'm wrong.

06-20-2016 , 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Actually, I'm more concerned about a lot of people being "Berned out" after the huge wave of emotion from this campaign. The religious right has been so successful because they have a dedicated group of activists that are willing to work 24/7 to push their message, volunteer, get people out to vote, go protest an abortion clinic at 8 am on a Thursday even though it's really friggin' cold outside, etc.

And those people never, EVER miss an election. Midterm or no, they show up to the polls and that in itself gives them political power.

06-20-2016 , 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

I don't have the link now, but I was reading about various lobby groups. The biggest issue only groups have less than a million members. The NRA, like AARP (the biggest), gets so many members mostly because of services. Most people join when they subscribe to one of the magazines or take a class or use a range or something and there are discounts.

MoveOn was one of the biggest issue only groups.

Anyway, the point being, There aren't *that* many people who are *that* political and you need some kind of product or commercial service to tie in to in order to get really big.

06-20-2016 , 02:29 PM

#9250

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"Hillary Clinton Will Feel The Bern As Occupy DNC Plans a March of 8-10 Million Bernie Sanders Supporters In Philly"

They might be setting their goals a biiiiiiiiit too high if they actually think they can get even a tenth that many people to march on Philly.

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