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10-23-2016 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by goofball
It's so weird and sad. We feel like we're in this weird purgatory, just waiting for the inevitable. Then we feel bad for feeling that way. We're also starting to feel disconnected in people don't know how to interact with us and we don't know how to interact with them.
And this is a completely different situation, but when my mom was in the hospice, dying, one of the worst feelings was wondering when she was going to pass and wishing it would already happen. And then I would feel completely guilty for wishing my mom was already dead. But you're stuck in this space of not feeling like you can grieve, because the thing hasn't happened yet. And I would want to connect with people, but then everything they would say would just kind of piss me off/wouldn't connect. Eventually it got better. It comes in waves still, though.
I am so sorry you have to go through this. I can not even imagine how horrible this is for you both.
10-23-2016 , 01:37 PM
Really sorry to hear this. I enjoy reading your blog and appreciate the good work you do. I'm sorry.
10-23-2016 , 01:51 PM
So sorry to hear this. There's just no words at a time like this.
10-23-2016 , 03:41 PM
Thank you for all the comments, every one made me feel a little better and supported.

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Originally Posted by sweep single
This is awful news, I know what you are going through. In 1993 I too had a daughter with a rare and fatal genetic disorder(osteogenesis imperfecta type 2). At first we were told she wouldn't live 3 days, a priest administered last rites when she was barely 24 hours old. After about 10 days she was allowed to go home and we were told no way she'd last 3 months. After 3 months the doctors said she would definitely die before she was 6 months, after that then they gave her a year. This went on and on until she finally passed 2 months before her 3rd birthday. The hardest part was being unprepared for her death. After doctors telling me constantly for 2.5 years that she was going to die soon(inaccurately) I started to believe they were wrong and she was going to beat it.

It was a very very hard 3 years, so much time in doctors offices, hospitals and fighting with insurance companies...but I will always treasure the memories of my first born. You will get through it, my friend. My condolences and the best of luck.
That's so awful, I'm sorry. Glad you can look back and treasure the memories.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Really, really sorry, goofball. MrsWookie has now gone through two consecutive miscarriages as we try for our first, but I can only imagine how much more magnified emotions like that would be after going through birth and only then finding out. What is your daughter's name?

I'm also going to leave here what is my favorite thread on 2+2 for you to look at at your discretion if you happened to not see it before, because it also comes with a big and non-ironic trigger warning. Poincaraux describes in both beautiful and heartbreaking detail what he went through with the stillbirth of his first child, and he continues to follow up with how he continues to cope with that amidst the joy of his later kids. It might be a bit much to take right now (or ever), but there is definitely someone here who knows exactly how you feel, and who knows that you can keep going and that it does get better.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...tillbirth-381/
Her name is Evelyn Colette. I'm familiar with Poincaraux's thread, and read it a lot both when he posted originally and around the times my older two daughters were born.

I'm sorry you've had to go through two miscarriages so far. Wife and I talked about how/if we would feel if Evelyn were our first. It's easier and harder this way. On one hand we love our kids and they're great and playing with them gives us joy. On the other hand, especially with our oldest who's 4 1/2, they're grieving too, and that's heartbreaking.

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Originally Posted by Gizmo
And this is a completely different situation, but when my mom was in the hospice, dying, one of the worst feelings was wondering when she was going to pass and wishing it would already happen. And then I would feel completely guilty for wishing my mom was already dead. But you're stuck in this space of not feeling like you can grieve, because the thing hasn't happened yet. And I would want to connect with people, but then everything they would say would just kind of piss me off/wouldn't connect. Eventually it got better. It comes in waves still, though.
I am so sorry you have to go through this. I can not even imagine how horrible this is for you both.
A lot of this resonates with me, thanks for sharing. Sometimes I talk to people and it helps, other times is pisses me off to talk about nothing. Other times they try to ask how I'm doing and I just want to answer how the **** do you think, but other times they ask that and I'm glad they did / care.

We weren't expecting to bring her home, and we got to do that, which was great initially, but now people are being too positive about that, because it's still ending the same way, and that's pissing me off.
10-23-2016 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
Lots of love, goofball, to you and your family. There is no model for how to get through this kind of circumstance, no real right or wrong way to feel or act. The purgatory won't last forever, but I know from experience that it's totally real and normal.
Ha, if only there were. In this and in basically all circumstances, emotions are immeasurably more complex than data / analytics.
10-23-2016 , 04:10 PM
Really sorry to hear this. Losing a child is every parent's nightmare - it just doesn't fit with the natural order of things. I hope you and your family find a way to cope with the tragedy, while finding a way to cherish the little time you have with her.
10-23-2016 , 04:58 PM
That's really sad news. Best wishes
10-23-2016 , 07:01 PM


I am really bad at saying words to people in these types of situations but as a dad who has had some (decidedly less serious) chronic issues with his kids I at least have a very very very very slight inkling of what you're going through. I was going to post a hang in there cat dot gif but that's probably not the right thing.

Good luck seems like the wrong thing, too.

Just be the best dad you can for as long as you get to.
10-23-2016 , 07:37 PM
Sending love to you and your family.
10-23-2016 , 08:18 PM
So sorry to hear this news Goofball. Take in the love of your friends and family and grieve however you feel is appropriate.
10-23-2016 , 10:35 PM
I echo all the comments above. If there were an exact thing I could say to help even a little bit, I'd say that.
10-24-2016 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
No words.
This sums it up imo.

It's impossible to think about your situation and not feel like you just got punched in the gut, as every person posting here has demonstrated.

Best wishes, mate.
10-24-2016 , 05:18 AM
Yeah, I have opened this thread about 10 times over the weekend each time trying to think of something appropriate to write but couldn't. I still have nothing useful to say but wanted to at least get something down to express my condolences.
10-24-2016 , 07:16 AM
I'm so sorry to hear that goofball. I can't imagine what you are going through, my daughter was born on the same exact day as yours and it's unfathomable to think how I'd be reacting in your spot. I don't have any advice or wisdom but I wold echo others who said don't isolate, find strength where you can, in the hugs from your daughters or in crying with your wife, and like pvn said, give/get as much love for as long as you possibly can and don't squander a minute.
10-24-2016 , 09:28 AM
One feeling you may encounter is that you've never been more willing to sacrifice for something, yet still unable to save the child.

Poem.

_In Trade_
A toe is no bargain, so I offer a foot
But feet do little, without both legs
And arms are not needed, without him to hold
Yet still, no deal, not even a counter
So I bid my remains
And am left
Wholly empty
10-24-2016 , 10:08 AM
I'm deeply sorry for what you and your family are going through, Goofball. It hurts to think what you must be feeling.
10-24-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Yeah, I have opened this thread about 10 times over the weekend each time trying to think of something appropriate to write but couldn't. I still have nothing useful to say but wanted to at least get something down to express my condolences.
Yup.

I guess the one thing I can say is that if you're struggling to know how to talk to people about this- don't worry and just do it (if you want to). If they're good friends they'll do the work of figuring out how to respond and how to help you.
10-24-2016 , 02:04 PM
Very sorry to hear that, my thoughts are with you and your family.
10-24-2016 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Yeah, I have opened this thread about 10 times over the weekend each time trying to think of something appropriate to write but couldn't. I still have nothing useful to say but wanted to at least get something down to express my condolences.
Same. I never know what to say in these situations and feel like saying sorry or condolences just doesn't cut it. Looks like you have a strong support circle that will help. Use them as you need.
10-24-2016 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Same. I never know what to say in these situations and feel like saying sorry or condolences just doesn't cut it.
It's not what you say, it's the fact that you say it. Just "my thoughts are with you" is sufficient. Of course no specific words will change anything, but the bereaved want to hear from you.

And don't worry that bringing up a death will trigger sad feelings -- they're already sad and never stop thinking about their kid.
10-24-2016 , 05:29 PM
Oddly I have at least an inkling of what you are going through as we were told hours after he was born that Mat probably had Down's syndrome and they didn't reverse that for a few days. It's a terrible feeling and I am sorry you are going through something even worse.

But as long a shot as it is, I feel I would be remiss if I did not suggest that you consider providing more medical details. We have a lot of smart people here.
10-25-2016 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
It's not what you say, it's the fact that you say it. Just "my thoughts are with you" is sufficient. Of course no specific words will change anything, but the bereaved want to hear from you.

And don't worry that bringing up a death will trigger sad feelings -- they're already sad and never stop thinking about their kid.


This is right. Only thing I've learned so far. Doesn't matter what you say, saying something is better than saying nothing. Thank you to everyone who has posted encouragement ITT.
10-25-2016 , 01:21 AM
my involvement in this forum is pretty much restricted to asking dumb questions in the betting elections thread, so i didn't even click this thread until now. but i just wanted to say that i feel for you and my thoughts are with you. my sister had a similar experience about 10 years ago with her son, everyone thought he had maybe a year or two to live at first. after they took him to Mayo clinic for more thorough testing and found the exact (extremely rare) gene mutation his prognosis changed, there was still a lot of uncertainty at that point but he's still around today, albeit with some severe disabilities.

hoping for the best for you and your child, however long you have.
10-25-2016 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
This is awful news, I know what you are going through. In 1993 I too had a daughter with a rare and fatal genetic disorder(osteogenesis imperfecta type 2). At first we were told she wouldn't live 3 days, a priest administered last rites when she was barely 24 hours old. After about 10 days she was allowed to go home and we were told no way she'd last 3 months. After 3 months the doctors said she would definitely die before she was 6 months, after that then they gave her a year. This went on and on until she finally passed 2 months before her 3rd birthday. The hardest part was being unprepared for her death. After doctors telling me constantly for 2.5 years that she was going to die soon(inaccurately) I started to believe they were wrong and she was going to beat it.

It was a very very hard 3 years, so much time in doctors offices, hospitals and fighting with insurance companies...but I will always treasure the memories of my first born. You will get through it, my friend. My condolences and the best of luck.
That is very terrible to have to live through. My son is a little over 2 now and as he has grown a personality I have become much more bonded to him. As a newborn they don't really do much and I always felt if something bad were to happen I'd rather it sooner than later.

Very sorry for the OP as well. I'm named after my father's brother who was stillborn. My mother also gave birth to a stillborn child who would have been my oldest brother.

Try and enjoy whatever you can from the experience OP. Only time will heal any wounds you have.
10-25-2016 , 02:20 AM
My condolences goofball, I wish you a lot of joy from being a father to Evelyn, however long it lasts

      
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