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12-13-2017 , 09:39 AM

#2926

spaceman Bryce

anything you guys want

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next move- dems need to force republicans to nominate someone insane in tennessee and arizona.

12-13-2017 , 09:44 AM

#2927

master3004

Revisionist Historian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SirOsis

Wonder if he actually made a difference:

I mean, to an extent, but a huge assist has to go to gigantic jackass Moore sticking his not knowing how to ride a horse foot straight into his mouth and saying MAGA meant when we had slavery.

Like, what more would a black person need to hear to ensure they go to the polls on Tuesday.

Great unforced error you stupid mother****er. Go stuff a bible up your ass.

12-13-2017 , 09:47 AM

#2928

spaceman Bryce

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it should be said thanks for the bet fatboy8.

the thing about betting on yosemite sams is, to people who follow politics he might not be that much effectively different than trump but to a lot of gas station attendents and grocery store workers Trump is like this genius businessman.

12-13-2017 , 09:51 AM

#2929

Huehuecoyotl

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Bannon worked to create a counter-narrative that ultimately would change many Republicans’ perception of the scandal. A former filmmaker, he’s long been captivated by the propaganda films of Leni Riefenstahl, the Nazi filmmaker, and the Soviet director Sergei Eisenstein for their power to shape public sentiment. Earlier this year, Bannon told the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer his 2012 anti-Obama film “The Hope and the Change,” had consciously mimicked Riefenstahl’s infamous, “Triumph of the Will.” Her film, he added, “seared into me” that unhappy voters could be influenced if they felt they were being conned.

“Riefenstahl and Eisenstein both created an image of their nation that coalesced in the minds of citizens and shaped public opinion through narratives, which is essentially what Bannon is doing in politics,” says Nadia Szold, a filmmaker and documentarian who has studied Bannon’s films and discussed his influences with him. “They all evoke emotions like nostalgia, patriotism or paranoia that strengthen a collective sentiment.”

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In Alabama, however, Bannon needed to move Republican voters, which entailed exerting a different, more direct influence. Early on, he sent two top Breitbart editors, Boyle and Aaron Klein, to attack Moore’s critics and churn out a fusillade of stories designed to raise doubts about the motives of Moore’s accusers and the mainstream reporters covering them. The general theme, Boyle explains, was that the whole thing was a Democratic ruse abetted by a compliant liberal press: “This was a missile launched at the conservative movement by the mainstream media.”

An ardent believer in the power of talk radio, Bannon turned his daily SiriusXM radio show into the broadcasting hub of the Moore counter-narrative that was fast emerging. It disseminated Breitbart’s stories across the conservative universe, parts of which remained committed to opposing Moore. “Our voters turn to the conservative media — or what people thought was conservative — because the rest of it is fake news,” says Young. “That includes Fox News, which follows Mitch McConnell’s lead. Hannity is a bright spot there, but Fox News has gotten more liberal.”

lol get rekt Bannon

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ainst-all-odds

12-13-2017 , 09:52 AM

#2930

Kafja

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rococo

While I obviously understand the voting dynamic you are describing, I don’t understand the urge to drown out every Democratic win with chants about how the electorate sucks. A frighteningly high percentage of this country has terrible political views. That is neither a keen insight, nor a new revelation. Rather, it has been apparent for my entire lifetime, regardless of which party or candidate wins a particular election.

My point isn't that the electorate sucks, it's that even discussing this election in terms of 'the electorate', rather than the white electorate and the black electorate, is stupid and deceptive. Moore wins by 40 points with white people, Jones wins by 95 points with black people, which gives him the win by a nose - those dynamics are insane, and any discussion of this election that doesn't lead with the racial disparity front and center is bull****.

12-13-2017 , 09:57 AM

#2931

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

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This is a big deal because Republicans are supposed to win these elections by at least 20% regardless of who runs.

Moore aligned himself directly with Trump on every issue and lost. He even received Trump's endorsement. This is a referendum on Donald Trump and Alabamans spoke out against him. Even if Jones only lost by a small margin, it still wouldn't be particularly good news for the GOP.

Virginia was a purple state that also repudiated Trumpian politics. I mean this is a really positive sign for the Dems. I see good things in future elections.

12-13-2017 , 10:01 AM

#2932

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Congrats to black alabamians. Doing the lords work keeping a scumbag pedo out of the senate despite lol white people and epic voting restriction efforts.

How much better off would the US (and the world) be if every american voted and acted like black americans?

12-13-2017 , 10:03 AM

#2933

DudeImBetter

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Probably ponied but thank God for black people.

12-13-2017 , 10:06 AM

#2934

Rococo

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

600k people voted for Roy Moore. That's not something anyone should be feeling good about regardless of the fact that he lost slightly.

You can say this about every national election, and most statewide elections. If you require that there be minimal support for a bad candidate, then you are destined to be unhappy about the results of most any election.

If nothing else, this election suggests that there are limits to how big an idiot Trump and Bannon can get elected to the US Senate. That’s not much, but it’s a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

12-13-2017 , 10:09 AM

#2935

Victor

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Originally Posted by awval999

To be fair to the GOP Establishment (LOL)... they did attempt to cut off Moore. In the primary they wanted Strange. They poured money into Strange. And in the end, in a 10% turnout special primary election, Moore won.

This has happened before to the GOP. There is a slice of the GOP electorate that is bat**** crazy. And it's not just Alabama. Delaware (Christine O'Donnell) and Nevada (Sharon Angle).

Those are two other Senate seats that the party has 'thrown' away due to the "deplorables".

In the end, those candidates don't or can't win general elections. Because it's just a much wider slice of the electorate, even in Alabama.

That NYT turnout tweet really said it all.

Jones got 93% of HRC's final raw vote numbers.
Moore got 48% of Trump's final raw vote numbers.

That's the whole ****in' ball game right there.

That's why Jones is Senator-elect.

Because tens of thousands of Roll Tide lovin' Jim-Bobs in Alabama said to themselves, "this is a line too far. I ain't votin' for that Democrat, but I ain't voting for that pedophile. Nancy pour me a Bud Light."

I dunno man, isnt a turnout of 48% of a presidential election a fairly high number for a special election?

hope someone can present those numbers bc they should be out there.

12-13-2017 , 10:09 AM

#2936

+rep_lol

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Originally Posted by BlueWillow

what's more important in the US - Governor's or Senators?

Disclaimer: i'm a filthy euro socialist.

they're both important and impactful in their own ways, but senators at least have the ability to "check" the power of the executive branch via the legislative process at the federal level.

winning a senate seat is a more bigly deal than winning a governorship, especially with a president who abuses his executive power and is unfit for office.

12-13-2017 , 10:09 AM

#2937

BOIDS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

bit of a long shot: does anyone know where to find similar demographic breakdown for 2008 when sessions beat whoever?

all i could find was

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Montgomery county gave [the 2008 dem] 55.3%

(jones 72.3%)

12-13-2017 , 10:15 AM

#2938

prana

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My dem winning and Moore no are still .97 on predictt lol.

12-13-2017 , 10:15 AM

#2939

bigt2k4

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Originally Posted by will1530

Lol Alabama exit polls. It’s too embarrassing to publicly admit to voting for a dem over a pedo. We need to add a new category to the list of people Republican men can’t try to have sex with and still get elected.

[x] male
[x] underage girl, dead or alive.

The exit polls assumed similar total numbers across counties from previous elections, Doug Jones got less % than he needed in almost all the counties' models. Turnout in pro Jones areas as well as less turnout in pro Moore areas is what won.

12-13-2017 , 10:20 AM

#2940

ligastar

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12-13-2017 , 10:22 AM

#2941

BOIDS

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pray the votes away!

12-13-2017 , 10:22 AM

#2942

TrollyWantACracker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prana

My dem winning and Moore no are still .97 on predictt lol.

If I had money on predictit I would consider throwing a few bucks on the other side of that.

12-13-2017 , 10:23 AM

#2943

BOIDS

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walking bags of **** list:

12-13-2017 , 10:23 AM

#2944

Wooders0n

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Originally Posted by Rococo

Ok? We should be unhappy. The United States of America is currently a historic disgrace and global embarassment. It should not stop being pointed out until it stops being the case.

Doug Jones squeaking out a victory over someone as abhorrent as Roy Moore is not Mission Accomplished.

12-13-2017 , 10:24 AM

#2945

TrollyWantACracker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ligastar

God apparently purged from the rolls due to inactivity.

12-13-2017 , 10:28 AM

#2946

DrChesspain

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

So the black people from Alabama got it right. Good for them.

FYP

12-13-2017 , 10:30 AM

#2947

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker

God apparently purged from the rolls due to inactivity.

Mr G. Odd was a registered felon.

12-13-2017 , 10:30 AM

#2948

spaceman Bryce

anything you guys want

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 425kid

This is an absurd stat on both sides. Kudos to the NYT needle for picking up turnout trends way before they were obvious

you know, a whole bunch of trump voters were guys in the 90s and 80s who passed away since trump got elected

12-13-2017 , 10:32 AM

#2949

Rococo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooders0n

Why does it have to be Mission Accomplished in order for people to be happy about small steps in the right direction?

Happy and satisfied aren't synonyms.

12-13-2017 , 10:35 AM

#2950

Loki

binary duo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

Nationally, Dems are in crisis mode. They need everything they can get. Senate seats are importantish, but if they kept shedding governorships, the GOP and the Kochs could literally rewrite the constitution.

So, take that into account.

Of course, if trump gets to replace more scotus nominees that too could reshape our country for the worse, and the fewer Roy Moores in office, the more sane his nominees need to be.

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