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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
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Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

06-20-2016 , 11:34 PM
Joe Lieberman gave an interview in which he refuses to say whether he supports Clinton or Trump. **** Joe Lieberman.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...inton_and.html
06-20-2016 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
At this point, my theory is that this has all been a Ron Paul-style for-profit campaign that just got out of hand.
Yeah. How can you run the "secret delegate plan" scam when you are actually winning delegates?

06-20-2016 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 425kid
And his campaign paid 432k to Mar-a-Lago in May.

Lol @ renting out your own place to yourself and billing donors. Elite grifting
I *think* that they have to do this kind of thing. My understanding is that FEC rules require campaigns to pay full freight on all this kind of stuff, even if it's stuff owned by the candidate/candidate's company/candidate's supporters.

Of course, there's always the option of going to a Courtyard Marriott instead of paying out the ass to rent out Mar A Lago every week, but I somehow doubt that this option is being seriously considered.
06-20-2016 , 11:42 PM
this ****ing idiot isnt even gonna make it to the convention

bad break for chillary
06-20-2016 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Joe Lieberman gave an interview in which he refuses to say whether he supports Clinton or Trump. **** Joe Lieberman.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...inton_and.html
Counterpoint: lol at the idea that anyone on earth gives a **** what Joe Lieberman thinks (an idea that is seemingly held only by Joe Lieberman and whoever ran this piece)
06-20-2016 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Yeah. How can you run the "secret delegate plan" scam when you are actually winning delegates?

To be clear, I don't think he was necessarily trying to lose the primary. I think he had an unspoken assumption that Jeb! would win in the primary and he could use his stunt campaign to sell books or whatever the way Palin/Cain/Carson have done.

Now he's in a position where his stunt, for-profit campaign actually has to mount a national general election bid, and I don't think anyone on his team has any kind of plan for how to do that. I'm probably reading too much into all this, but that's my working theory. I think we're going to see a scramble to figure out how to actually run for president without spending any money.
06-20-2016 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
I *think* that they have to do this kind of thing. My understanding is that FEC rules require campaigns to pay full freight on all this kind of stuff, even if it's stuff owned by the candidate/candidate's company/candidate's supporters.

Of course, there's always the option of going to a Courtyard Marriott instead of paying out the ass to rent out Mar A Lago every week, but I somehow doubt that this option is being seriously considered.
Trump paid more for renting the Mar A Largo than he did on payroll.
06-20-2016 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
A lot of people are reading the "Trump had fake cufflinks" story as an implication that he's poorer than he lets on, but how expensive could even diamond cufflinks be?

I think Occam's Razor cuts the other way there, not that Trump is poor and intentionally wears knockoffs because he can't afford diamonds, but that Trump is stupid and got scammed.

It's like, there are two types of fake Rolexes out there in the world. There are the absolute dog**** $100 pieces of crap that everyone involved knows isn't a Rolex and the buyer just wants to pretend or whatever, but then there's the second level of people who actually put some effort into making a half-way decent watch, slap the Rolex brand on it and try to pass it off to a mark who believes they are getting a real Rolex.

Somebody hustled Donald Trump. Trump is 100% the sort of idiot who would LOVE to get a "great deal" by some extremely motivated seller who has to sell his cufflinks today for 50% retail.
There's a third option, too, that Trump knew they were knock-offs and just bull****s people to make them think he's a generous guy and likes them, or w/e. This seems to fit his personality, too.
06-20-2016 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
I'm not claiming anything. The people she worked with and went to school with say she never tried to pass herself off as some part Native American in order to get ahead for jobs, education, etc.
ok, so your claim is that the 'in order to get ahead' part is false?

presumably you don't deny that 'she did claim to be part native american'? This part is well documented and warren herself has conceded as much.

you just don't like connecting the two to cause intentionality.

and that's a fair criticism. connecting the two is certainly speculative.

But your reasoning here is equally dubious. there's more to passing oneself off as native american in order to get ahead besides wearing ceremonial gear or any other such thing that would make it obvious to all your coworkers. checking a box on a form for example, which coworkers would never know about.

furthermore, your reasoning fails to resolve the possibility that perhaps she in fact did do this in order to get ahead, but in the end it played no part and she got ahead for completely unrelated reasons, that she excelled at her job.
06-20-2016 , 11:51 PM
The campaigns don't have to pay for it from donor money, the majority of Trump's nominal contributions are in kind donations/loans for stuff like using his plane. The majority of the time, candidates forgive personal loans to his campaign.
06-20-2016 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by miajag
Derek Willis Verified account
‏@derekwillis

Recipients of payments from Trump campaign with “Trump” in name, through May 31. Doesn’t include Mar-a-Lago/planes.



Amazing. Grifters gonna grift.
How many taco bowls does $607.59 buy?
06-20-2016 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
The GOP cultivated this ****. Reap what you sow.
or the republicans can nominate else, someone who can beat the immensely unpopular Hillary Clinton

that's another possibility!

markets are current putting it at a 1/6 chance that someone not named Trump is the nominee
06-21-2016 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by miajag
Derek Willis Verified account
‏@derekwillis

Recipients of payments from Trump campaign with “Trump” in name, through May 31. Doesn’t include Mar-a-Lago/planes.



Amazing. Grifters gonna grift.
Is this a surprise to anyone? He's grifting the Republican Party to keep his ****ty businesses afloat just like he did to the casino investors.
06-21-2016 , 12:06 AM
He expensed the taco salad.
06-21-2016 , 12:09 AM
Predictit puts Trump at 0.86 to win the nomination. 0.86. All his opponents have dropped out.
06-21-2016 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Predictit puts Trump at 0.86 to win the nomination. 0.86. All his opponents have dropped out.
He's dropping like a rock. At 85.5% at electionbettingodds and he was about 95% two or three days ago at the most.
06-21-2016 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
He's grifting the Republican Party to keep his ****ty businesses afloat
how is he grifting the republican party when he has loaned his campaign 40million and only about 1.3million of that ended up back in his businesses?

the grift doesn't happen until he pays himself back from future donations. until then he's still way in the red on this.
06-21-2016 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
And has the added benefit of not being true! Conservatives love pointing stuff that isn't true and pretending it is!
Can you point me to a rock-solid proof that it isn't true? I need ammunition for the mailing list I'm on.
06-21-2016 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RollWave
ok, so your claim is that the 'in order to get ahead' part is false?

presumably you don't deny that 'she did claim to be part native american'? This part is well documented and warren herself has conceded as much.

you just don't like connecting the two to cause intentionality.

and that's a fair criticism. connecting the two is certainly speculative.

But your reasoning here is equally dubious. there's more to passing oneself off as native american in order to get ahead besides wearing ceremonial gear or any other such thing that would make it obvious to all your coworkers. checking a box on a form for example, which coworkers would never know about.

furthermore, your reasoning fails to resolve the possibility that perhaps she in fact did do this in order to get ahead, but in the end it played no part and she got ahead for completely unrelated reasons, that she excelled at her job.
Yeah ok, this is more what I thought it was. Has anyone concluded if she does or doesn't actually have some native american blood or if it actually helped her? Because I predict we're going to be arguing about this ad nauseum in 8 years whether Hillary is a 1-term or 2-term president.
06-21-2016 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
To be clear, I don't think he was necessarily trying to lose the primary. I think he had an unspoken assumption that...he could use his stunt campaign to sell books or whatever the way Palin/Cain/Carson have done...
Yeah, The Producers reference was to his current situation. Agreed he wasn't imagining winning, and was just doing whatever he was doing last POTUS bowl, selling books, or just getting very cost effective publicity to sell his golf courses, etc.

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... I think we're going to see a scramble to figure out how to actually run for president without spending any money.
We're already seeing that. Trump is at +250, one "this changes everything" away from being POTUS. With basically a US House scale reelection campaign so far. That's pretty much exactly where M.Romney was four years ago... after running a gold plated national campaign, and burning through a good chunk of his personal fortune.
06-21-2016 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah ok, this is more what I thought it was. Has anyone concluded if she does or doesn't actually have some native american blood or if it actually helped her?
No one's proven that she isn't actually 1/32 NA or whatever. No one's shown that she doesn't actually believe she's part NA. There's no evidence she benefited from this claim since she was already well-qualified for the job.
06-21-2016 , 01:06 AM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57...b0fbbc8bea705c

this kinda complicates the idea that the GOP can just tell trump to **** off at the convention
06-21-2016 , 01:07 AM
Do you know how many single mothers who go to college late and eventually go to a mid ranked law school end up as tenured HLS professors? One. Elizabeth Warren.

She could have been doing rain dances and making it rain indoors and no one at HLS would give a crap is she wasn't a slam dunk lateral hire who had excelled everywhere else she'd been. I don't know about Pocahontas, but she's about as impressive as Sacajawea.

The EW affirmative action meme is this years 'show us Obama's transcripts.' It's beyond absurd coming from a born-on-home plate cartoon like Trump. She earned her job on merit more than 99% of people ever will.
06-21-2016 , 01:11 AM
You guys are saying way too many big words and phrases. Pocahontas Pocahontas Pocahontas!
06-21-2016 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Do you know how many single mothers who go to college late and eventually go to a mid ranked law school end up as tenured HLS professors? One. Elizabeth Warren.

She could have been doing rain dances and making it rain indoors and no one at HLS would give a crap is she wasn't a slam dunk lateral hire who had excelled everywhere else she'd been. I don't know about Pocahontas, but she's about as impressive as Sacajawea.

The EW affirmative action meme is this years 'show us Obama's transcripts.' It's beyond absurd coming from a born-on-home plate cartoon like Trump.
Pretty much. She's a full professor at Harvard and one of the most cited legal scholars of all time! If she lied on her resume Harvard is lucky she did.

      
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