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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN 2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN
View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be
Hillary
332 46.63%
TRUMP
190 26.69%
In to watch it burn
161 22.61%
Bastard
73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

11-01-2016 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
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obviously
11-01-2016 , 10:15 AM
This is getting uncomfortably scary:
http://time.com/4552904/donald-trump...ton-post-poll/

The Republican nominee leads by just 1 percentage point, his first lead in ABC News/Washington Post poll since May

Donald Trump is slightly ahead of Hillary Clinton for the first time in months, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll.

Trump is leading with 46% of likely voters, while Clinton has 45%. The two candidates are divided by a slim .7 percentage point margin, which is well within the poll’s margin of error.

11-01-2016 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Today I'm going to go into work and tell my boss to **** off when he asks me to do an essential function of my job. I'm sure I shouldnt have any problem keeping my position after that, right?
I guess that would depend on whether your boss(es) eagerly did not want you to do that essential function, wouldnt it?
11-01-2016 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
To head off the strawman at the pass the economy is much better than 2008 and the people responsible for that deserve credit. My point is just that the economy, while better, will likely face some significant challenges going forward.
Right, the economy is in good shape but we can't predict the future and something bad will almost certainly happen eventually. Something that's always true.
11-01-2016 , 10:19 AM
Well I'm convinced, that MAIL website comes out DAILY.
11-01-2016 , 10:20 AM
Can one of the pro's or wannabe pro's (or anyone who knows stuff) here chime in on NC.

As I understand it,

2012, Dems led by 6.2% after early vote, which was close to 60% of the total. Mitt won by about 2% in the end.

2016, Dems lead by 13.5%, Dems still "not at 2012 numbers" which means I guess raw vote total, but this is understandable, as selected counties did not expand polling locations until last Thursday. So, it seems that Dems will likely increase that 13.5% in the coming days, as those counties are more black than average. And those 2012 totals will likely be met as well, and the vote total will be around 60% in with an insurmountable lead for Hill.

Correct or am I missing something?

Last edited by anatta; 11-01-2016 at 10:25 AM.
11-01-2016 , 10:29 AM


heres your friend talking about stuff
11-01-2016 , 10:32 AM
OK Hildawg, around about now would be a good time to release the N-bomb vid.
11-01-2016 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
Right, the economy is in good shape but we can't predict the future and something bad will almost certainly happen eventually. Something that's always true.
That's not what I said. Read the first two paragraphs for the challenges/problems discused. The last paragraph was just summarizing what I had previously said in my post. Non-mortage household debt is up 50% or so since the recession. Do you think this is sustainable or good? The economy is being propped up by consumption which has been propped up by low interest rates mostly. That isn't something that can continue forever especially in the face of income levels which are less today in a real sense than they were 15-20 years ago. Add in the fact hat interest rates can't really go any lower and you are in a tenous situation. Obviously something had to be done in 2008 and ther has been a strengthening of the economy since then, which as I said is commendible. Just don't be fooled that the current situation is sustainable.

http://www.slate.com/articles/busine...ve_charts.html

Also economic shocks are by definition unpredictable so it is a pretty weak gotcha attempt. The current bubble is obviously the stock market. There is no where else for people to make a return on money (well maybe real estate but that is drastically more complicated to invest in than the stock market) because of the artificially low interest rates and therefore everyone is parking their money in the stock market which has caused it to soar. It is up nearly 50% over pre-2008 levels and up like 300% from the 2008 lows with no remotely equivalent growth in the actual economy (yes there has been growth, just not anywhere near the levels we have seen in the markets).

Last edited by WichitaDM; 11-01-2016 at 10:46 AM.
11-01-2016 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Interesting Talking Point right here to be asserting so strongly.
Danny losing it, as the chances of a Lady President get closer and closer he can't even muster up kneejerk contradiction of liberals.

Now he's just like, describing people's posts. Cool story, bro.
11-01-2016 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by anatta
Can one of the pro's or wannabe pro's (or anyone who knows stuff) here chime in on NC.

As I understand it,

2012, Dems led by 6.2% after early vote, which was close to 60% of the total. Mitt won by about 2% in the end.

2016, Dems lead by 13.5%, Dems still "not at 2012 numbers" which means I guess raw vote total, but this is understandable, as selected counties did not expand polling locations until last Thursday. So, it seems that Dems will likely increase that 13.5% in the coming days, as those counties are more black than average. And those 2012 totals will likely be met as well, and the vote total will be around 60% in with an insurmountable lead for Hill.

Correct or am I missing something?
I posted it earlier, but the data analysts working in both the Clinton and Trump campaigns are pretty confident NC is going blue
11-01-2016 , 10:37 AM
Anatta,

That's basically my amateur understanding as well. Dems need the total number of early votes to go up, particularly among blacks and it would basically clinch NC and almost clinch the election.
11-01-2016 , 10:44 AM
That said, this last week is one of the things that is so infuriating about Clinton.

So all along, the sales pitch for her over Bernie was that she was this battle-scarred Washington ace politician, right? OK. Cool.

Then she never once brings up that Obama released the birth certificate in 2008. She never once confronts Trump about his ties being made in Bangladesh. She doesn't bring up climate change, or the Central Park 5, or his general idiocy. "When they go low, we go high!" Obviously she wins all the debates anyway because Trump is Trump, but she wins by TKO, she doesn't send him to the hospital.

But the last week of the campaign, the very last week, her people are pushing these really sketchy "Trump is a Russian spy" stories? What the ****!
11-01-2016 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
That's not what I said. Read the first two paragraphs for the challenges/problems discused. The last paragraph was just summarizing what I had previously said in my post. Non-mortage household debt is up 50% or so since the recession. Do you think this is sustainable or good? The economy is being propped up by consumption which has been propped up by low interest rates mostly. That isn't something that can continue forever especially in the face of income levels which are less today in a real sense than they were 15-20 years ago. Add in the fact hat interest rates can't really go any lower and you are in a tenous situation. Obviously something had to be done in 2008 and ther has been a strengthening of the economy since then, which as I said is commendible. Just don't be fooled that the current situation is sustainable.
Nothing is ever sustainable. Things change and we have to react. GDP and workforce size are at all time highs, sometime in the future they won't be and we'll deal with it then like we always have.
11-01-2016 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Well, the way to convince the faithful is to make this case that Hillary Clinton (or Obama, or whoever) is an actual demon. So you get:

Four in 10 Donald Trump supporters think Hillary Clinton 'is an actual demon'

And, yes, some people were having fun with that poll. But here in the South this is an actual belief. The "seizures" she's been having are just more evidence. The whole idea is to take rationality out of the equation and boil political discourse down to good vs. evil.

I have a libertarian friend who thinks Clinton is "evil" and regularly talks about how liberals are "evil," but is an amazingly nice guy in every other respect. My older brother is a Trump supporter--really nice person (though, honestly, a bit racist), selfless in many, many ways--but does the same "liberals are evil" schtick on Facebook. He knows my wife and I are liberal, but I guess we are just dumb or something? I don't know. I try to avoid political discussions.
It loosely translates as deplorable/irredeemable

Yeah I know one side can insist 'us' are right and them' are wrong but it amounts to diddly-squat because the other side think the same.

It's the polorization problem.
11-01-2016 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
That said, this last week is one of the things that is so infuriating about Clinton.

So all along, the sales pitch for her over Bernie was that she was this battle-scarred Washington ace politician, right? OK. Cool.

Then she never once brings up that Obama released the birth certificate in 2008. She never once confronts Trump about his ties being made in Bangladesh. She doesn't bring up climate change, or the Central Park 5, or his general idiocy. "When they go low, we go high!" Obviously she wins all the debates anyway because Trump is Trump, but she wins by TKO, she doesn't send him to the hospital.

But the last week of the campaign, the very last week, her people are pushing these really sketchy "Trump is a Russian spy" stories? What the ****!
never before has there been so much time wasted on winning like the .4% of republicans who give a **** about natsec endorsements and random stupid russian conspiracies while also be willing to vote democrat
11-01-2016 , 10:48 AM
Someday this war's gonna end.
11-01-2016 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
Nothing is ever sustainable. Things change and we have to react. GDP and workforce size are at all time highs, sometime in the future they won't be and we'll deal with it then like we always have.
So how will we react the next time we face a 2008 level economic (or even 2000 level) calamity assuming the status quo? You can't really lower interest rates, and you will have a hard time government spending your way out of it with the large national debt and current large annual budget deficit. Print money?

What I am trying to say is that most of the usual techniques for impacting the economy are nearly maxed out and the economy while better has mostly been improved through a combination of maxing those techniques out and consumers being willing to borrow to consume. They can't take their foot even an inch off that gas pedal for fear the economy will collapse which is what the previous poster mentioned wrt interest rates.
11-01-2016 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by anatta
Can one of the pro's or wannabe pro's (or anyone who knows stuff) here chime in on NC.

As I understand it,

2012, Dems led by 6.2% after early vote, which was close to 60% of the total. Mitt won by about 2% in the end.

2016, Dems lead by 13.5%, Dems still "not at 2012 numbers" which means I guess raw vote total, but this is understandable, as selected counties did not expand polling locations until last Thursday. So, it seems that Dems will likely increase that 13.5% in the coming days, as those counties are more black than average. And those 2012 totals will likely be met as well, and the vote total will be around 60% in with an insurmountable lead for Hill.

Correct or am I missing something?
Don't know if you've seen the NYTimes page on NC early vote:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...e-tracker.html

Partially based on poll that has HRC up +6, but early vote results are in line with that poll.
11-01-2016 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPPE6a7mSI

some cringeworthy trump commentary i just saw. wow.
The reporter's facial expressions make this gold.

Black guy went from shock to spending 1 minute making all sorts of facial expressions to stop himself from laughing and then says to himself, "**** it" and cracks a wide open smile when she starts talking about Jesus.

Woman stays composed early but head goes down when she says something stupid and practically buries her face in her hands when she goes on about Clinton like, "I can't believe these people are choosing who runs the world." She then seems to almost be praying that this woman gets her head out of her ass at the end.
11-01-2016 , 10:59 AM
i get a feeling that ryan is trying to shift the course of the party away from the obstuctionism and radical right towards being a bit more pragmatical. at least he seems to talk like that in his fox interview and at his new page

http://abetterway.speaker.gov/


probably getting worried that the country may get lost to a person like trump one day.
11-01-2016 , 11:04 AM
People cannot still be falling for "Paul Ryan, pragmatic superwonk" pivots in 20-****ing-16
11-01-2016 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
i get a feeling that ryan is trying to shift the course of the party away from the obstuctionism and radical right towards being a bit more pragmatical. at least he seems to talk like that in his fox interview and at his new page



http://abetterway.speaker.gov/





probably getting worried that the country may get lost to a person like trump one day.

Paul Ryan and his ilk looking reasonable after this election is another negative unintended consequence; now they can "pivot" back to "moderate" Republicans who want to gut Medicare and slash other public programs in order to give the rich their well-deserved tax cuts.
11-01-2016 , 11:06 AM


Imagine living in enough of an echo chamber to think associating Hillary with a sitting President with 60% approval ratings will hurt her
11-01-2016 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
So how will we react the next time we face a 2008 level economic (or even 2000 level) calamity assuming the status quo? You can't really lower interest rates, and you will have a hard time government spending your way out of it with the large national debt and current large annual budget deficit. Print money?

What I am trying to say is that most of the usual techniques for impacting the economy are nearly maxed out and the economy while better has mostly been improved through a combination of maxing those techniques out and consumers being willing to borrow to consume. They can't take their foot even an inch off that gas pedal for fear the economy will collapse which is what the previous poster mentioned wrt interest rates.
i think we've learned by now that interest rates can in fact be negative. it's happened all over the world.

but the rates will come up at some point when it starts looking like there's full employment and a hint of inflation. then they'll be cut again in the next recession.

      
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