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73 10.25%
im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions
57 8.01%

11-04-2016 , 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAIDS
imo the correct play is to vote against the unstable reality tv show host that doesnt know anything
thats what i am thinking.

thoughts on this??


On Aug 17, 2014 3:50 PM, "H" <hrod17@clintonemail.com> wrote:
>>
Note: Sources include Western intelligence, US intelligence and sources
in the region.

1. With all of its tragic aspects, the advance of ISIL
through Iraq gives the U.S. Government an opportunity to change the way it
deals with the chaotic security situation in North Africa and the Middle
East. The most important factor in this matter is to make use of
intelligence resources and Special Operations troops in an aggressive
manner, while avoiding the old school solution, which calls for more
traditional military operations. In Iraq it is important that we engage
ISIL using the resources of the Peshmerga fighters of the Kurdish Regional
Government (KRG), and what, if any, reliable units exist in the Iraqi
Army. The Peshmerga commanders are aggressive hard fighting troops, who
have long standing relationships with CIA officers and Special Forces
operators. However, they will need the continued commitment of U.S.
personnel to work with them as advisors and strategic planners, the new
generation of Peshmerga commanders being largely untested in traditional
combat. That said, with this U.S. aid the Kurdish troops can inflict a
real defeat on ISIL.

2. It is important that once we engage ISIL, as we have now
done in a limited manner, we and our allies should carry on until they are
driven back suffering a tangible defeat. Anything short of this will be
seen by other fighters in the region, Libya, Lebanon, and even Jordan, as
an American defeat. However, if we provide advisors and planners, as well
as increased close air support for the Peshmerga, these soldiers can defeat
ISIL. They will give the new Iraqi Government a chance to organize itself,
and restructure the Sunni resistance in Syria, moving the center of power
toward moderate forces like the Free Syrian Army (FSA). In addition to air
support, the Peshmerga also need artillery and armored vehicles to deal
with the tanks and other heavy equipment captured from the Iraqi army by
ISIL.

3. In the past the USG, in an agreement with the Turkish General Staff,
did not provide such heavy weapons to the Peshmerga, out of a concern that
they would end up in the hands of Kurdish rebels inside of Turkey. The
current situation in Iraq, not to mention the political environment in
Turkey, makes this policy obsolete. Also this equipment can now be
airlifted directly into the KRG zone.

4. Armed with proper equipment, and working with U.S. advisors, the
Peshmerga can attack the ISIL with a coordinated assault supported from the
air. This effort will come as a surprise to the ISIL, whose leaders
believe we will always stop with targeted bombing, and weaken them both in
Iraq and inside of Syria. At the same time we should return to plans to
provide the FSA, or some group of moderate forces, with equipment that will
allow them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime. This entire effort should be done with a low profile,
avoiding the massive traditional military operations that are at best
temporary solutions. While this military/para-military operation is moving
forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence
assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia,
which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and
other radical Sunni groups in the region. This effort will be enhanced by
the stepped up commitment in the KRG. The Qataris and Saudis will be put
in a position of balancing policy between their ongoing competition to
dominate the Sunni world and the consequences of serious U.S. pressure. By
the same token, the threat of similar, realistic U.S. operations will serve
to assist moderate forces in Libya, Lebanon, and even Jordan, where
insurgents are increasingly fascinated by the ISIL success in Iraq.

6. In the end the situation in Iraq is merely the latest and most
dangerous example of the regional restructuring that is taking place across
North Africa, all the way to the Turkish border. These developments are
important to the U.S. for reasons that often differ from country to
country: energy and moral commitment to Iraq, energy issues in Libya, and
strategic commitments in Jordan. At the same time, as Turkey moves toward
a new, more serious Islamic reality, it will be important for them to
realize that we are willing to take serious actions, which can be sustained
to protect our national interests. This course of action offers the
potential for success, as opposed to large scale, traditional military
campaigns, that are too expensive and awkward to maintain over time.

7. (Note: A source in Tripoli stated in confidence that when the U.S.
Embassy was evacuated, the presence of two U.S. Navy jet fighters over the
city brought all fighting to a halt for several hours, as Islamist forces
were not certain that these aircraft would not also provide close ground
support for moderate government forces.)

8. If we do not take the changes needed to make our
security policy in the region more realistic, there is a real danger of
ISIL veterans moving on to other countries to facilitate operations by
Islamist forces. This is already happening in Libya and Egypt, where
fighters are returning from Syria to work with local forces. ISIL is only
the latest and most violent example of this process. If we don’t act to
defeat them in Iraq something even more violent and dangerous will
develop. Successful military operations against these very irregular but
determined forces can only be accomplished by making proper use of
clandestine/special operations resources, in coordination with airpower,
and established local allies. There is, unfortunately, a narrow window of
opportunity on this issue, as we need to act before an ISIL state becomes
better organized and reaches into Lebanon and Jordan.

9. (Note: It is important to keep in mind that as a result
of this policy there probably will be concern in the Sunni regions of Iraq
and the Central Government regarding the possible expansion of KRG
controlled territory. With advisors in the Peshmerga command we can
reassure the concerned parties that, in return for increase autonomy, the
KRG will not exclude the Iraqi Government from participation in the
management of the oil fields around Kirkuk, and the Mosel Dam hydroelectric
facility. At the same time we will be able to work with the Peshmerga as
they pursue ISIL into disputed areas of Eastern Syria, coordinating with
FSA troops who can move against ISIL from the North. This will make
certain Basher al Assad does not gain an advantage from these operations.
Finally, as it now appears the U.S. is considering a plan to offer
contractors as advisors to the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, we will be in a
position to coordinate more effectively between the Peshmerga and the Iraqi
Army.)
11-04-2016 , 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmarky
having a hard time to figure out who to vote for here. talked to my buddy today. and he said "remember, these are the people that thought anthony weiner was normal. who knows what kind of crazy stuff they do"
baids had a good comment on this. let me add another angle. a good play would be to vote against the erratic dirtbag bigot xenofobe misogynist demagogue.
11-04-2016 , 08:54 PM
Hahahaha BAIDS, fell right into the trap. Every ****ing time.
11-04-2016 , 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vhawk01
AFAIK
I'm just saying it's not really a refutation of the "born this way" thing, particularly when the leading hypothesis is that hormones in the womb play a key role

Identical twins sometimes have different orientations, so right away we know it cannot be 100% genetic, anyway, in that a your genes will 100% of the time predict your orientation

Agree that it's bad for "born this way" to be the reason behind acceptance. It's fine, however, as a mostly true in the spirit if not the letter piece of rhetoric when we live in a democracy and we aren't all rocket surgeons
11-04-2016 , 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmarky
thoughts on this??
too wordy for me. i prefer 'i have a plan to defeat isis but im not gonna tell anyone about it'
11-04-2016 , 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aflametotheground
baids had a good comment on this. let me add another angle. a good play would be to vote against the erratic dirtbag bigot xenofobe misogynist demagogue.
vote for trump?
11-04-2016 , 08:56 PM
tl;dr
11-04-2016 , 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAIDS
too wordy for me. i prefer 'i have a plan to defeat isis but im not gonna tell anyone about it'
it was pretty much the US plan to defeat ISIS .....

Gmail....Sheesh! AMIRITE?
11-04-2016 , 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Hey FBI. I have better info for you to leak.

ISIS may be planning a terror attack in Florida, Colorado, New Hampshire, and North Carolina. No further details can be confirmed.
They don't need any help lol. FBI seems like a complete clown show. Law enforcement as a whole is a joke. They've all been in the bag for Trump from the start. God only know what the FBI would starting doing if he actually won.

This post would probably land me on a terror watch list in Trump's America. It's possibly the GOPs vision of American now, too.
11-04-2016 , 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkubus
They don't need any help lol. FBI seems like a complete clown show. Law enforcement as a whole is a joke. They've all been in the bag for Trump from the start. God only know what the FBI would starting doing if he actually won.

This post would probably land me on a terror watch list in Trump's America. It's possibly the GOPs vision of American now, too.
yeah, damn pedos and national security risks being treated unfairly!
11-04-2016 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmarky
yeah, damn pedos and national security risks being treated unfairly!
Trump the pedo has been treated more than fairly imo
11-04-2016 , 09:02 PM
lol rudy having to walk back his on-camera admission that the fbi is leaking info-drops to the trump campaign in advance
11-04-2016 , 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PocketChads
Trump the pedo has been treated more than fairly imo
was referring to weiner...who unfortunately had his laptop "stolen" by mean ole law enforcement. THEY ARE OUT OF CONTROL WITH THESE "FOURTH" AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS!

#DICKSOUTFORWEINER!
11-04-2016 , 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAIDS
imo the correct play is to vote against the unstable reality tv show host that doesnt know anything
Do love this post btw because these are true top reasons to reject Trump. "Doesn't know anything" (and hates learning) is one that's not talked about nearly enough.
11-04-2016 , 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmarky
it was pretty much the US plan to defeat ISIS .....

Gmail....Sheesh! AMIRITE?
well you're certainly not wrong

--

ppl talking about der markts - brexit was super interesting in this respect b/c we pretty much found out the short term outcome of both results.

reason for this was that there was a bunch of private exit polls commissioned by financial institutions (we learned this after the fact) which turned out to be A) very confident of a remain vote and B) wrong, obviously

it did two things, first it sent the betfair 'leave' odds from about 3.5 up to a high of 15 shortly after the polls closed, and also the ftse went up about 3%.

then the actual results started to roll in and it let us find out the effect of a leave vote as well!
11-04-2016 , 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vhawk01
Your post pisses me off because its a pet peeve of mine, this idea that it is fundamentally important that being gay is NOT A CHOICE and thats why its wrong to discriminate against gays. As if somehow if we'd done some fancy science and shown that it WAS a choice, then it would be totally ok? Kim Davis didnt discriminate against anyone for the way they were born, she discriminated against them for the things they DID, like trying to marry someone of the same sex. So....does that make it ok? Of course not, its ****ing terrible. But its not for the stupid reason you suggested.

Do you realize its possible that 10 years from now we will realize that being a BIGOT is something you are essentially born with, or at least born with a strong predilection for? You are setting up an argument that we can't be anti-bigot in that case. Is that the position you want to stake out? All because you are too slow-witted to make any better arguments against homophobia?
Your post pisses me off the way you bandy about the lack of a genetic test as substantial evidence that being gay isn't due to innate biology.
11-04-2016 , 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmarky
thats what i am thinking.

thoughts on this??
I didn't intend to, but read them all. Trump could never write such lucid texts.
No way he keeps all those different players and places and goals straight. In fact, now I want a satirical Trump version.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmarky
it was pretty much the US plan to defeat ISIS .....

Gmail....Sheesh! AMIRITE?
Therefore?
11-04-2016 , 09:07 PM
Also, am I right in seeing literally zero retrospection from True Liberal HasternDan when he went to bat for alt right fever fantasies before getting soundly discredited?
11-04-2016 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vhawk01
Your post pisses me off because its a pet peeve of mine, this idea that it is fundamentally important that being gay is NOT A CHOICE and thats why its wrong to discriminate against gays. As if somehow if we'd done some fancy science and shown that it WAS a choice, then it would be totally ok? Kim Davis didnt discriminate against anyone for the way they were born, she discriminated against them for the things they DID, like trying to marry someone of the same sex. So....does that make it ok? Of course not, its ****ing terrible. But its not for the stupid reason you suggested.

Do you realize its possible that 10 years from now we will realize that being a BIGOT is something you are essentially born with, or at least born with a strong predilection for? You are setting up an argument that we can't be anti-bigot in that case. Is that the position you want to stake out? All because you are too slow-witted to make any better arguments against homophobia?
That's a distinction without a difference genius.
11-04-2016 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmarky
thats what i am thinking.

thoughts on this??


On Aug 17, 2014 3:50 PM, "H" <hrod17@clintonemail.com> wrote:
>>
Note: Sources include Western intelligence, US intelligence and sources
in the region.

1. With all of its tragic aspects, the advance of ISIL
through Iraq gives the U.S. Government an opportunity to change the way it
deals with the chaotic security situation in North Africa and the Middle
East. The most important factor in this matter is to make use of
intelligence resources and Special Operations troops in an aggressive
manner, while avoiding the old school solution, which calls for more
traditional military operations. In Iraq it is important that we engage
ISIL using the resources of the Peshmerga fighters of the Kurdish Regional
Government (KRG), and what, if any, reliable units exist in the Iraqi
Army. The Peshmerga commanders are aggressive hard fighting troops, who
have long standing relationships with CIA officers and Special Forces
operators. However, they will need the continued commitment of U.S.
personnel to work with them as advisors and strategic planners, the new
generation of Peshmerga commanders being largely untested in traditional
combat. That said, with this U.S. aid the Kurdish troops can inflict a
real defeat on ISIL.

2. It is important that once we engage ISIL, as we have now
done in a limited manner, we and our allies should carry on until they are
driven back suffering a tangible defeat. Anything short of this will be
seen by other fighters in the region, Libya, Lebanon, and even Jordan, as
an American defeat. However, if we provide advisors and planners, as well
as increased close air support for the Peshmerga, these soldiers can defeat
ISIL. They will give the new Iraqi Government a chance to organize itself,
and restructure the Sunni resistance in Syria, moving the center of power
toward moderate forces like the Free Syrian Army (FSA). In addition to air
support, the Peshmerga also need artillery and armored vehicles to deal
with the tanks and other heavy equipment captured from the Iraqi army by
ISIL.

3. In the past the USG, in an agreement with the Turkish General Staff,
did not provide such heavy weapons to the Peshmerga, out of a concern that
they would end up in the hands of Kurdish rebels inside of Turkey. The
current situation in Iraq, not to mention the political environment in
Turkey, makes this policy obsolete. Also this equipment can now be
airlifted directly into the KRG zone.

4. Armed with proper equipment, and working with U.S. advisors, the
Peshmerga can attack the ISIL with a coordinated assault supported from the
air. This effort will come as a surprise to the ISIL, whose leaders
believe we will always stop with targeted bombing, and weaken them both in
Iraq and inside of Syria. At the same time we should return to plans to
provide the FSA, or some group of moderate forces, with equipment that will
allow them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime. This entire effort should be done with a low profile,
avoiding the massive traditional military operations that are at best
temporary solutions. While this military/para-military operation is moving
forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence
assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia,
which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and
other radical Sunni groups in the region. This effort will be enhanced by
the stepped up commitment in the KRG. The Qataris and Saudis will be put
in a position of balancing policy between their ongoing competition to
dominate the Sunni world and the consequences of serious U.S. pressure. By
the same token, the threat of similar, realistic U.S. operations will serve
to assist moderate forces in Libya, Lebanon, and even Jordan, where
insurgents are increasingly fascinated by the ISIL success in Iraq.

6. In the end the situation in Iraq is merely the latest and most
dangerous example of the regional restructuring that is taking place across
North Africa, all the way to the Turkish border. These developments are
important to the U.S. for reasons that often differ from country to
country: energy and moral commitment to Iraq, energy issues in Libya, and
strategic commitments in Jordan. At the same time, as Turkey moves toward
a new, more serious Islamic reality, it will be important for them to
realize that we are willing to take serious actions, which can be sustained
to protect our national interests. This course of action offers the
potential for success, as opposed to large scale, traditional military
campaigns, that are too expensive and awkward to maintain over time.

7. (Note: A source in Tripoli stated in confidence that when the U.S.
Embassy was evacuated, the presence of two U.S. Navy jet fighters over the
city brought all fighting to a halt for several hours, as Islamist forces
were not certain that these aircraft would not also provide close ground
support for moderate government forces.)

8. If we do not take the changes needed to make our
security policy in the region more realistic, there is a real danger of
ISIL veterans moving on to other countries to facilitate operations by
Islamist forces. This is already happening in Libya and Egypt, where
fighters are returning from Syria to work with local forces. ISIL is only
the latest and most violent example of this process. If we don’t act to
defeat them in Iraq something even more violent and dangerous will
develop. Successful military operations against these very irregular but
determined forces can only be accomplished by making proper use of
clandestine/special operations resources, in coordination with airpower,
and established local allies. There is, unfortunately, a narrow window of
opportunity on this issue, as we need to act before an ISIL state becomes
better organized and reaches into Lebanon and Jordan.

9. (Note: It is important to keep in mind that as a result
of this policy there probably will be concern in the Sunni regions of Iraq
and the Central Government regarding the possible expansion of KRG
controlled territory. With advisors in the Peshmerga command we can
reassure the concerned parties that, in return for increase autonomy, the
KRG will not exclude the Iraqi Government from participation in the
management of the oil fields around Kirkuk, and the Mosel Dam hydroelectric
facility. At the same time we will be able to work with the Peshmerga as
they pursue ISIL into disputed areas of Eastern Syria, coordinating with
FSA troops who can move against ISIL from the North. This will make
certain Basher al Assad does not gain an advantage from these operations.
Finally, as it now appears the U.S. is considering a plan to offer
contractors as advisors to the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, we will be in a
position to coordinate more effectively between the Peshmerga and the Iraqi
Army.)
same
11-04-2016 , 09:12 PM


vhawk, man, how are you still so bad at this
11-04-2016 , 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylar
i think it would work better if she called her private positions 'locker room talk'. you know, when the ladies discuss policy in their locker rooms and what not. nothing that they would openly say in front of the gentlemen and not have to wash their mouths with soap. 'cause that would be improper.
If she hasn't publicly said some tongue in cheek line about this yet, I bet at some point she does.
11-04-2016 , 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWookie
Your post pisses me off the way you bandy about the lack of a genetic test as substantial evidence that being gay isn't due to innate biology.
also, who the F cares if there's a genetic test or ever will be? 1) there is plenty we dont' know about genetics, 2) a ton of things about your life are not due to genetics, and 3) civil rights are not about whether anything is innate or not.
11-04-2016 , 09:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylar
also, who the F cares if there's a genetic test or ever will be? 1) there is plenty we dont' know about genetics, 2) a ton of things about your life are not due to genetics, and 3) civil rights are not about whether anything is innate or not.
Yeah. It's just flat out not wrong for someone to get married to someone of the same sex. It doesn't matter whether they were born that way or not.

If you don't agree, then you should probably move to where religious law is the law of the land.
11-04-2016 , 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWookie
Also, am I right in seeing literally zero retrospection from True Liberal HasternDan when he went to bat for alt right fever fantasies before getting soundly discredited?
?

      
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