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2016 Presidential Election Thread: TRUMP vs. Hillary SMACKDOWN

View Poll Results: The 45th President of the United States of America will be

Hillary

332 46.63%

TRUMP

190 26.69%

In to watch it burn

161 22.61%

Bastard

73 10.25%

im tryin to tell you about ****in my wife in the *** and youre asking me these personal questions

57 8.01%

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10-31-2016 , 08:45 PM

#42051

Dunkman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

We have found out what's left in the oppo bag, the red scare.

And I think we've found out why it was still in the bag. Although it IS obviously a very substantial story they don't really have a smoking gun and need some luck for the story to take off, at least based on what we've heard so far.

10-31-2016 , 08:46 PM

#42052

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,983

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

The bolded seems extremely likely lol, I mean can you even imagine the **** you would get on Trump if you bugged his hotel room?

... and provided some 'suitable' opportunities.

10-31-2016 , 08:49 PM

#42053

Loki

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Just the best people

10-31-2016 , 08:49 PM

#42054

bobman0330

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Wait, so the guy who wants to undermine NATO and rewrite the GOP platform to favor Russian interests in Ukraine is actually a Russian spy?! It's always the people you least suspect, huh?

10-31-2016 , 08:50 PM

#42055

goofyballer

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us...trump-tax.html

Quote:

But newly obtained documents show that in the early 1990s, as he scrambled to stave off financial ruin, Mr. Trump avoided reporting hundreds of millions of dollars in taxable income by using a tax avoidance maneuver so legally dubious his own lawyers advised him that the Internal Revenue Service would likely declare it improper if he were audited.

Thanks to this one maneuver — which was later outlawed by Congress — Mr. Trump potentially escaped paying tens of millions of dollars in federal personal income taxes. It is impossible to know for sure because Mr. Trump has declined to release his tax returns, or even a summary of his returns, breaking a practice followed by every Republican and Democratic presidential candidate for more than four decades.

10-31-2016 , 08:51 PM

#42056

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

"The media' used to just be like signs on a post one dude in town could read, or the local priest, whatever. There's a reason Crusaders burned Jewish enclaves in the 10th century. It wasn't because of YouTube videos. Like, I'm not THAT old. But, I heard some things, and they probably weren't made up.

Even better answer for plzd0nate.

10-31-2016 , 08:53 PM

#42057

ChrisV

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

This is where context matters imo and you can't just look at raw numbers. 1992 and 1996 were big misses. But 1992 had Perot, which made polling more difficult. And probably more importantly, both elections were polling as enormous wins for Bill Clinton. It's quite possible that some voters didn't bother to show up on election day because victory was so inevitable. I'm not sure these blowout elections are good data points.

Further to this, let's look at 1980, another pretty big miss. The final debate, which Reagan won convincingly, was on October 28 and the election was November 4. There was a lot else going on that week as well:

Quote:

On Friday of that week the final economic indicator of the campaign showed inflation still seriously on the rise. And on Sunday morning, November 1, the Iranian parliament announced their conditions for freeing the American hostages. Jimmy Carter immediately abandoned campaigning and appeared on national television in the early evening to repeat much of what the public had been hearing all day. It was a week, in effect, with much that could affect the choices made by voters.

Carter’s pollster, Patrick Caddell, believed that Iran’s rebuff doomed Carter, saying “It was all related to the hostages and events overseas.”

So basically I don't think you can just toss poll misses in the averaging machine and extrapolate from there. When polls miss, they frequently miss for a reason. I think the chances of any huge anti-Clinton disturbances in the race over the next week are small. And absent that, I think the race is stable and the polls will be accurate.

10-31-2016 , 09:00 PM

#42058

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou, 13 minutes before NYT tax story dropped

We have found out what's left in the oppo bag, the red scare.

LOL seattletoys

10-31-2016 , 09:00 PM

#42059

sportsjefe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

The bolded seems extremely likely lol, I mean can you even imagine the **** you would get on Trump if you bugged his hotel room?

All they need is a pretty, young Natasha.

10-31-2016 , 09:00 PM

#42060

PartyGirlUK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

That Mother Jones article is required reading, money quote:

The bolded seems extremely likely lol, I mean can you even imagine the **** you would get on Trump if you bugged his hotel room?

That article may be b.s but there's much more obvious ways to compromise Trump that bugging his room. He's got to be the easiest honey trap in the history of spycraft.

10-31-2016 , 09:02 PM

#42061

fatkid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Just the best people

Hahaha such a funny ****ing cock sucker. This guy is a senator in the senate.

10-31-2016 , 09:03 PM

#42062

seattlelou

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

LOL seattletoys

You think the tax story from the 90s is big? I doubt it but maybe.

10-31-2016 , 09:03 PM

#42063

ChrisV

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinopoker

This is why they're going after NH then, I reckon. If they're able to get the map looks like that clearly they must figure changing it to red is their only chance.

Not that the map will actually look like that, but his team obv hopes it will.

If you look at Trump's final campaign stops, they are in PA, MI (the two Firewall States worth the most EVs), FL and NC. Unfortunately for him, he has to play defense in FL and NC as well as trying to flip Firewall States. He also has a campaign stop in NM (RCP C+11.5) I guess because lolTrump.

NH is a small state and cheap to campaign in I guess, the problem with it is though that NV is looking pretty good for Clinton and if she gets that, NH won't matter.

10-31-2016 , 09:04 PM

#42064

Loki

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Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 12,772

Trump's very bad day so far:

Tax evasion
Destroyed subpoenaed emails
Secret communication with Russia
Comey held back Russia info
R Senator says he wants HRC killed
Everyone remotely related to law comes out against Comey

Anything I'm missing?

10-31-2016 , 09:05 PM

#42065

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

Amy Schumer is Chuck Schumer's niece, which in the spirit of conspiratarding will be the answer to a question I ask later in this post.

She's not that bad, like she's better than Dunham, and her sketch-based show made it tough to know how much was her and how much was her writing team, but even in the extremely insular world of NYC-based feminist comediennes she's behind Fey, Jenny Slate, Chelsea Peretti, and both halves of Broad City. I'm not sure how she jumped straight to headlining major Hollywood films without ever really being that good at anything smaller scale.

10-31-2016 , 09:06 PM

#42066

Kirbynator

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i dont see any of those on mainstream, am I just bad at googling?

10-31-2016 , 09:07 PM

#42067

Jiggymike

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I think the Russian server stuff affects the race as much as the new e-mail revelation, which is to say basically nothing. If anything the email thing is worse because this whole Hillary-email thing is baked into people's brains whereas the Trump-Russia thing is a little less straightforward and has been widely dismissed by people who don't like to read or think. Remember, Trump voters now love Putin and don't give a **** about NATO. They also think Trump is a genius for not paying taxes.

10-31-2016 , 09:07 PM

#42068

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

Wait, what, which Senator said they wanted HRC dead? I missed that one.

10-31-2016 , 09:08 PM

#42069

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

My guess is that tax avoidance was always queued up but these poorly sourced Russian longshots are getting dropped to flood the news and make the email letter distant history.

10-31-2016 , 09:09 PM

#42070

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

Quote:

Originally Posted by vixticator

Wait, what, which Senator said they wanted HRC dead? I missed that one.

Burr, North Carolina. He also said he would refuse to confirm any SCOTUS justices for her.

10-31-2016 , 09:09 PM

#42071

vixticator

clutch

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Oh, Burr of NC told a 'joke' about target practice or something.

10-31-2016 , 09:10 PM

#42072

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

Hahahah awval, all along, learned it from watching Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politi...mus/index.html

Quote:

(CNN)In a 2009 radio interview with Don Imus uncovered by CNN's KFile, Donald Trump claimed he did not vote for President George W. Bush. Four years earlier, in an interview on Fox News following the 2004 presidential election, Trump said the exact opposite: that he did vote Bush despite his opposition to the Iraq War.