no matter how many times joe rogan talks about chris lytle's boxing or his under-rated ground game it's not gonna change that fact that he just isn't that good of a fighter. he has also repeatedly demonstrated that actually winning fights is not always his top priority inside the cage.

was liking pellegrino, trixtrix agreeing sealed it hard.

2.05u @ Akiyama
1.5u @ Reljic
0.62u @ Pellegrino

i also see that Pinny now offers 3% juice o/u round betting! that is amazing. has that been available before?

update
aikiyama-205 2 units
brock-135

soszynski -210
akiyama -205
lesnar -140
roberts -185
pellgrino +165

a lot of value on this card imo. went heavy on it, hopefully its not a blood bath.

Serious question: If you could get unlimited money down and you had a £100k bankroll, how much would you pay Lesnar's personal doctor for a full report on his medical condition and his honest assessment of how punches/short bursts of wrestling) will affect him in the fight? What I'm asking is, sometimes it is easy to tell whether a fighter looks good/bad in a weigh in (e.g. Khan vs a ghost-faced Salita) but in this case, how can we measure the potential of Brock suffering from his illness, lack of fitness etc? Of course the fact that he is fighting proves he is somewhat Ok but in the Foreman Cotto fight, Foreman was carrying an injury and it cost him and there are many other examples.

update
akikyama-205 2 units
brock-135 2 units.

really want to go big on aikiyama but gun she after takeing it on the chin in the fedor fight. i'll probable put more on him before fight time though.

round 1 starts.. they start sizing each other up... the exchange starts quickly.... shane gets him with a good right hook... brock gets rocked.. shane goes in for the kill... 1st round KO

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From 5 dimes:

Carwin by TKO/KO +170
Carwin rd.1 +290
Carwin rd.2 +665

Fight starts rd.2 -125
No rd. 2 -105

Possible on Carwin in rd. 2 +665

the consensus is that the illness has been cured. apparently it was affecting his training and hindering his body in some small unnoticeable way. if anything he should come back stronger and healthier.

the only real effect from that situation coming into this fight is ring rust, if that.

You're a bit off on the effects.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_arti...storyid=828450

Collapse/hospitalization is a bit stronger than "some small unnoticeable way"

im talking about before the illness peaked and needed medical attention. lesnar in the countdown said that he felt a small pain in his stomach well before he collapsed and was prone to getting sick. he was dealing with the illness way before it needed immediate medical attention. if we take these things at face value he should come back stronger and healthier.

"The doctor told him he hasn't been right for a year. His immune system has been trying to fight this thing and that's why he was susceptible to getting sick."

That likely explains Lesnar’s original diagnosis of mono. He had been weakened to the point that he was unable to train for the Carwin fight for much of October. That prompted the original delay in the fight. Then last week, the intestinal problem flamed up and Lesnar was hospitalized


http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/1...nar-had-a-hole

I'm not sure I follow your logic.

You are saying because it wasn't immediately severe and he was able to train through the initial symptoms it couldn't be a big deal?

If that's what you're saying, then you're wrong. The initial symptoms were mild because the problem was mild. However, it got much worse and his intestine ruptured, spilling gross intestine **** all into his abdomen, and that is a serious medical emergency. He was confined to a hospital bed for over two weeks, unable to take food by mouth. He lost 40 pounds. Those are serious physical effects and their effect on Lesnar performance is unknown.

The doctor was saying the condition existed before mir/lesnar II

it was a big deal at the time it peaked but once its cured, he recovers, and goes through a full training camp then its most likely not a factor coming into the fight.

my logic is that when the illness was in the mild stages (pain and getting sick) it was having an effect on his body and training therefore he wasnt at 100%. since that illness has been cured, and lesnar has gone through a full training camp hes most likely feeling and training at 100% now because he wasnt before.

I believe most of the medical reports on Lesnar, except the quote where the Dr. said Lesnar had been only operating at 60% for over a year. Its just hilarious to think a pro athlete wouldn't notice he was only getting 60% of himself. I think its more likely he was feeling like 60% when he pulled out of the first fight, and then went down hard from there, but to say hes gonna be almost twice as good as we saw him in his last fights is just silly. I do think hes gonna be even quicker though, hes a little more trim but still gonna be a beast.

I'm absolutely stunned that Lesnar is contrarian.

he said in the countdown he went to see doctors numerous times. iirc this was around the time that he got diagnosed with mono. it was obvious based on several reports at the time that there was something wrong with him that was hindering his training and performance.

it doesnt matter how he was feeling when the illness peaked, point is he wasnt at 100% about a year before that according to the doctor, lesnars reports, and common sense.


its not about being "good" its about lesnar getting the proper quantity and quality of training in when hes at 100% compared to when hes not. whether lesnars training at 100% noticaebly improves him or not is irrelevant. what is relevant is that according to the reports thats wheres hes currently training at compared to before a year his illness peaked.

adding more to aikiyama
aikiyama-205 2 units
lesnar-135 2 units
aikiyama-250 5 units

When he got diagnosed with mono, it was in his training camp before Carwin, thats my point. I think he was obviously feeling 60% then and got it looked into it. The Dr saying Brock was fighting in the UFC at 60% is ******ed. Brock starting feeling worse and worse heading up the the Carwin fight and pulled out, that makes sense. Him fighting at UFC 100 at 60% is laughable sorry. Did he have slight effect of the illness maybe at that time? I don't know, that is possible and I wouldn't doubt it, but all I am saying is he didn't drop down to "60%" until about the training camp for Carwin, and he noticed it and got checked out.

goddamn how can i be this good at beating soccer line and this **** at beating mma lines

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It's the exact opposite for me. The WC crushed me.

Forget what I said before: Give me a big bet on Lesnar at -138.

Following this tonight, though I couldn't get lines that good (I'm only on Bodog and Bookmaker). Good luck to both of us.