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05-15-2012 , 07:18 PM
My man McKenzie shipped it. I love that dude, he's always so intense and fit for fighting and with those long limbs he has that deadly modified guillotine.
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05-15-2012 , 07:59 PM
Mackenzie is garbage, the only way he wins is if Levesseur chose to fight in the most ******ed way possible by ignoring his only strength, and I guess that's what happened.
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05-15-2012 , 08:49 PM
No doubt MacKenzie is garbage, his standup is a joke and he's never going to get anywhere in the ufc. With that said, I still like the guy, he comes to fight and is an original character, add to that a freakishly good guillotine.
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05-15-2012 , 10:59 PM
holy god damn did I eat crow here.

Zombie looked fkn goooooooood.
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05-15-2012 , 11:03 PM
How can anyone bet against someone who was capable of pulling off the twister and spinning back fist ko'ing Pajonsuk.
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05-16-2012 , 02:10 AM
Korean Zombie looked good. I think he just overpowered Poirier with his nasty groundgame/takedowns and standup. I was rooting for him anyway, how can you not root for a guy called Korean Zombie, and it's a name he's got for his style, not anything he made up himself.
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05-17-2012 , 03:29 PM
Thoughts on Hardy vs Ludwig? Ludwig is a skilled muay thai guy but this is hardy's last fight if he loses, I would assume, can't really have 5 losses and still be in the ufc?
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05-17-2012 , 03:58 PM
I'm sure ludwig goes 0-4 if he had to fight hardy's last 4 guys. My gut says Hardy hopefully one of them is a big underdog.
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05-17-2012 , 04:12 PM
No doubt Hardy's faced top opponents, but it just goes to show that Hardy is no longer a top tier guy. Tbh, he wasn't even before, it was more that the division was weak than anything else. It's going to be hard for him, I mean if he wants to just stay in the UFC they would have to give him absolute bottom fighters who matchup well with him stylistically and the more and more UFC grows, the higher the skills of the divisions are going to rise. I mean just look at the WD now, we got hendricks, Ellenberger, Kampmann, Diaz, Condit, Pierce, Kos, Alves, Bahadurzada(he's a bit unproved but I'm sure he'll be a mid guy, too bad he's facing Alves).

It's a strange place for guys who were once at the top but simply don't cut it anymore, I mean are they supposed to just fight the bottom level guys for a paycheck? Look at what happened w previous HW fighters like Tim Sylvia.
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05-17-2012 , 06:57 PM
Seems some changes have been made to this ufc 146, Hunt out, Lavar in. Isn't really a big change stylistically for struve, basically he's facing a power puncher who's been submitted before. And I'm also interested in Herman vs Nelson. Should be a good war there as well.
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05-17-2012 , 08:22 PM
No offense but I think that is a huge difference for Struve. Johnson has what, 6 inches on Hunt? I think that totally changes how he was going to attack Hunt on the feet.
That said, if Struve is planning, somehow, to get this fight to the ground, then yes, he has an advantage there like he did against Hunt.
My initial inkling is to Johnson because it seems like Struves biggest weakness is striking defense, and while Lavar isn't quite Shane Carwin, this could easily be a first round KO for him.
I like Herman over Nelson fwiw. Although I think Herman is going to win by decision a lot, and Roy has a ton of heart and will throw the overhand right as often as he can.
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05-17-2012 , 08:31 PM
I wasn't referring to how tall they are or their reach more to the fact that both Hunt and Lavar are power punchers and are going to have the same gameplan vs Struve(though everyone has the same plan vs Struve, get in close and KTFO him), add to that they are both aggressive. Add to that that they don't have that good TDD or groundgames, I mean lavar got taken down by Pat Barry. I also think Hunt is the better technical striker than Lavar so I'm far from saying they are carbon copies of each other.
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05-18-2012 , 09:51 AM
He didn't really get taken down by Barry, it was a scramble and Barry ended up on top.
Yes Struve is expecting a stand up fight but by your logic you make it seem as if swapping out JDS for Hunt would be no big deal for Struve. Lavar seems to move a lot better on his feet, and he has a much better clinch game than Hunt.
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05-18-2012 , 05:31 PM
i originally had money on Hunt in this fight and now I am pissed it is cancelled. There is no way that struve was ever going to beat hunt, let alone even hurt him. All you have to do is look at their body types, struve could get a free punch square on the jaw of hunt and probably not hurt him, Im pretty sure hunt could have walked right through struve and done anything he wanted to because he is such a stocky, powerful, iron jawed man and struve is just a tall skinny kid.

But I digress, i hope lavar johnson is the underdog to struve, cause he is one bad man , Johnson beating Barry was the lock of the night on that fight card a few weeks ago. In struve i see a 23 year old tall skinny white kid who has never shaved his face before, and with johnson i see a big hungry scary striker who would mug struve at the local 7-11
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05-18-2012 , 05:34 PM
also, i know josh barnett hasn't fought in like forever , but that doesnt take away the fact that he is still elite with tons more experience and the same age as cormier. Cormier is gonna be nursing that sore hand and probably nervous as hell cause he knows this fight is going to make or break his UFC career after this fight, Barnett seems to not care about the UFC and has his own illustrious career already, so all the pressure is on cormier and its looking like hes going to choke big time. Money on Barnett please.
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05-18-2012 , 05:57 PM
Yes, I do hope people start betting Barnett, cause it's annoying that the line on Bedor keeps getting worse.
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05-18-2012 , 06:23 PM
Looks like I was dead on about big value on Zombie, his grappling looked elite. Also had Cerrone.

Struve might get KO'd by Johnson sure but all he has to do is pull guard or get a trip and he will easily sub him. Johnson is completely inept on the ground.

I think Cormier is going to beat Barnett up however he wants. 3u on Cormier. Explain plz how Barnett is "still elite"? Because he subbed some strikers who cannot grapple? If he beats Cormier, I will def be impressed and surprised. Basing part of your analysis on Cormier being "nervous as hell" and "looks like he is going to choke big time" is laughable. Where did you come up with this amazing insight?
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05-19-2012 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pieceofcake
i originally had money on Hunt in this fight and now I am pissed it is cancelled. There is no way that struve was ever going to beat hunt, let alone even hurt him. All you have to do is look at their body types, struve could get a free punch square on the jaw of hunt and probably not hurt him, Im pretty sure hunt could have walked right through struve and done anything he wanted to because he is such a stocky, powerful, iron jawed man and struve is just a tall skinny kid.

But I digress, i hope lavar johnson is the underdog to struve, cause he is one bad man , Johnson beating Barry was the lock of the night on that fight card a few weeks ago. In struve i see a 23 year old tall skinny white kid who has never shaved his face before, and with johnson i see a big hungry scary striker who would mug struve at the local 7-11
Struve had the perfect game to crush Hunt

Struve will struggle against Johnson, but remember Pat Barry did take him down briefly and if Struve gets him down he's not getting up without tapping.

Will stay away if its close to evens, or take whoever is +150 or better if either of them is a dog.

I felt Struve was a huge fav over Hunt, but Johnson is a worse matchup

Not sure if i'm pissed or relieved Struve vs Hunt was cancelled, I had 18 units on Struve and my previous biggest sports bets ever were 7u on Evans to beat Davis and Belfort to beat Johnson

Got 4u on Barnett for tomorrow at -108, not a lock or anything but I feel he wins 60% or so and thats enough for it to be +EV, no other bets on tomorrow's card
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05-19-2012 , 08:55 AM
Basically comes down to if you think Cormier is a top 5 HW or not I think - at evens, he's unproven and Barnett will win if he isn't truly one of the best.

Not going to say its a lock one way or the other but it's close to evens and I wanted a bet on it since ill be watching and I just lean Barnett for some reason.

Wouldnt be surprised if Barnett gets caught juicing afterwards or something yet again, but whatever.
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05-19-2012 , 11:00 AM
Cormier should be -200 IMO. Better standup and how is Barnett getting this to the ground?
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05-19-2012 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by just_mo
Cormier should be -200 IMO. Better standup and how is Barnett getting this to the ground?
I think I agree, but I don't think it's a given that Cormier has better standup. More power sure, but probably not as good technically.
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05-19-2012 , 11:39 AM
His hands looked excellent in his last outing. Barnett's standup has always been awkward/average.

Adding a few units on Melendez and a big parlay on Melendez/JDS. Feel both are locks who should be closer to -800 or so than their current price at -500.

Last edited by just_mo; 05-19-2012 at 11:59 AM.
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05-19-2012 , 12:24 PM
agreed that his stand-up was very impressive against Bigfoot
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05-19-2012 , 12:31 PM
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Cormier should be -200 IMO. Better standup and how is Barnett getting this to the ground?
Better standup against who, Bigfoot? If he's outstruck an elite striker then sure.

As it stands, we know where Barnett stands (3rd-8th best HW in the world depending who you ask) and Cormier could be anywhere from 1 to 15 really and we won't know until he faces Barnett/top 10 UFC guys following that
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05-19-2012 , 01:17 PM
lol @ calling out Cormier's competition when backing Barnett. The last time Barnett beat a fighter as good as Bigfoot was Nogueira...and that was in 2006.

And yeah, against Bigfoot. You think Barnett coulda boxed circles around Bigfoot like that? Really? You obv haven't watched much of Barnett.
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