Yeah, I agree that GSP should convincingly beat a dude like Brown but I also think Brown is highly underrated, especially in his ground game.

It's not math when you're just factoring in the way they looked in the standup. RDA was boxing Cerrone's ears off, while Dunham IMO (and the opinions of most) beat RDA in a mainly standup fight.

I'm not so sure casuals aren't gonna be pounding Hendricks. I've talked to a few who are all about Hendricks being the man to end GSP's reign. Casuals in general all seem to hate GSP.

Would have loved to get Beltran at +335 or whatever against Rampage, not sure if there's value now.

Going Dunham for 0.5 and Dunham dec for another 0.5 at +220. Also taking Story dec, think he is the likely winner here and he rarely finishes (3 UFC finishes - Mulhern, Hazelett and Foster). Furthermore, TWAS has never been KO in over 50 career fights.

Just watched the video

Didn't realise WADA keep your blood for 12 years and any time a new test comes out re-test it. Not surprised GSP didn't want any of that! Hendricks comes across pretty well.

Great bet,

Hendricks does come off sounding very legit here. In addition I think Hendricks does have a good shot at winning this fight, IMO seems like GSP is fading. If Hendricks doesn't beat GSP then I think someone else will dethrone in the near future.

article just released a couple hours ago. Hendrix pretty much accuses GSP of using performance enhancing drugs.

http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/13/john...-by-the-drugs/

I said his best win was a loss to Sherk. It was his signature fight....in 2010

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Jumping on the Dunham bandwagon....1u at -105 at 5dimes. Wish I had gotten in on Dunham by decision before it dropped.

Except he beat RDA but the judges robbed him. Doesn't change how good he looked. Also Tibau has been beating everybody.

@swoop or anyone else betting Chael, please tell me how he possibly beats Rashad. I think generally both are overrated, but I'm having a hard time figuring a way an under sized Chael can win. If Phil Davis loses to Rashad then Chael has to.

Anyway putting a healthy bet on Rashad @ -210

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chaels got a bunch of trophies on his wall that say he can beat rashad

this card id be super surprised if most the favorites won it seems like a underdog card

Which ones?

undersized Chael?

Also, Phil Davis' takedown offense is not in the same league as Chael's. Phil Davis won the NCAA title in wrestling but that could literally be done without ever scoring a takedown. I don't know what Phil's style was though.

I still expect to see Rashad win, but I can envision Chael taking him down enough to win. He did it to Bisping and Okami, and they both dwarf Rashad, and Chael's the only one to do that to either of them IIRC.

I think Rashad might be smart to try to take Chael down.

Dunham Cerrone id cap at evens. Hard fight to predict, too many factors involved and I don't see any of the fighters being a huge underdog on the sites so I'm staying away from that one. Same goes for Koscheck Tyrone.

I meant in comparison to other LHWs. Rashad fought Davis who is a big LHW with superb wrestling. I know its not Chael offense but its pretty damn good. I see Rashad using his wrestling to not be taken down and wins a boxing match. Probably 29-28 after Chael starts fast and wins 1st round with a TD.

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Okay, I see what you mean.

I just think Chael's takedown offense is way better than Davis' even when accounting for Phil's size. That's why I think Chael has a chance to beat Rashad even though Phil Davis probably has very little chance to beat Rashad.

The weird thing is Chael was an elite international Greco-Roman wrestler, which meant he had no reason to ever train double-leg takedowns after college (where he was not elite). One would think he would be good at throws and clinch stuff. Daniel Cormier and Randy Couture were elite Greco Roman wrestlers too and they fight/fought like it.

By the way, Rashad Evans was a very mediocre college wrestler. His career record was only 48-34. Phil Davis went 112-17. Ben Askren was 153-8.

Phil Davis won the NCAA title in his senior year. He did lose earlier in the year to Chris Weidman though. Weidman also beat Bader.

They all wrestled in the 197 pound class. Rashad competed at 174 pounds, same as Josh Koscheck, Ben Askren and Jakob Volkmann. In fact, Rashad's final match in 2002 was against Volkmann. Rashad lost. In MMA, they fight 50 pounds apart.

Below is a photo of Weidman, Bader and Davis in 2006.



Rashad's college roommate was 157-pounder Gray Maynard.

No. Simply not true at all.

But Evans is a much better wrestler than Bisping and Okami, regardless of if you think MWs somehow could "dwarf" a LHW. (Pictures? Something?)

Dont look at those statistics blindly, mma wrestling is a different matter. Rashads record in wrestling outside mma isn't so good, but his mma wrestling is among the best. I don't remember him being taken down that often, except when he gets rocked but I don't see him being rocked.

Bader with some random teammate:

Oh yeah, you're right. I misread World University Championships for World Championships. Big Difference.

Okami and Bisping are both listed at 6-2. Rashad is 5-11 and not thickly muscled or anything. Dwarf might be an exaggeration, but they surely have bigger frames. I understand that taller doesn't always mean bigger.

FWIW, here's a bisping-evans staredown.

http://www.allwrestlingsuperstars.co...el-Bisping.jpg

Obv they have shoes on there but it looks like Bisping has an inch, maybe 2 on him.

And yeah World University is pretty minor league.

I read BE's breakdown of Rashad's collegiate wrestling career today, he was actually pretty decent. Beat a dude in the NCAA tourney who would go on to become a 3x national champ. Finished just short of AA honors in what sounds like a tough weight class. Sonnen only made AA once, and it sounds like his weight wasn't that tough that year. Overall doesn't seem like there's much, if any, difference between their college wrestling careers.

Rashad should be stronger and he's quite a bit younger as well. Outside of the Nog fight, his fight IQ has always been pretty damn good. I think he will take what Sonnen gives him (i.e. shoot if he sees an opportunity, land some strikes if he sees that) and win this. Not sure if there's line value tho.

ummm just saw this on twitter:

Nurmagomedov wrestling a bear?!

No wonder the Russians are crushing everyone...THEY GROW UP WRESTLING ****ING BEARS.

It's not nurmagedov.

Haha who knows, if it is it's funny, if not still funny I suppose.