Werdum also submitted Nogueira and was in far less trouble during the fight
Ok, so? What does that have to do with this one guy I got saying that Mir hasn't beat any top-tier jiu-jitsu guys. Nogueira is that top-tier jiu-jitsu guy.
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Ok so? What does that have to do with this one guy I got saying that Mir hasn't beat top-tier jiu-jitsu guys. Nogueira is that top-tier jiu-jitsu guy.
Fair enough, thought you were using that one fight as general evidence rather than responding to a poster saying Mir has never sub'd a high level BJJ guy.
It's just that i don't get how you can't grasp the difference in the skill level between the guys that Mir has out grappled, compared to the guys Werdum has.
Saying the Mir has proven his skills in the octagon is ridiculous. GSP has proven he is a good wrestler in the octagon, does that mean he can place in the Olympics? Belfort has proven he has good kicks in the octagon, can he become a national Taekwondo champion? We are talking about a guy that has competed on the highest level possible, and won.. vs a guy who has never been tested. His biggest fight in the bjj world was Roy nelson (who he lost to) Frank Mir isn't in the top 10 Bjj fighters in the mma today.
They are on different levels of ability, it's really that simple. You think Werdum would ever lose a grappling match to Roy friggin Nelson? And yes, it was no gi.
Saying the Mir has proven his skills in the octagon is ridiculous.
So if one can break the arm a former multi-time Jiu Jitsu champion it is of no relevance because it took place in the octagon? It doesn't have any barring on ones jiu-jitsu technique and skill set? Because one lost to a guy once before, that makes him less of a jiu-jitsu practitioner than someone else that may have beat that person?
That's obviously what you think so be that as it may then. I got my opinion and you all got yours.
So if one can break the arm a former multi-time Jiu Jitsu champion it is of no relevance because it took place in the octagon? It doesn't have any barring on ones jiu-jitsu technique and skill set? Because one lost to a guy once before, that makes him less of a jiu-jitsu practitioner than someone else that may have beat that person?
That's obviously what you think so be that as it may then. I got my opinion and you all got yours.
ahhhh the classic case of "its me not you"
when 30 people all agree on something n you are the lone wolf who disagrees.....dont ya think something may be wrong in that instance?
Anyone know how Rampage's training was going when he was expected to fight Tito? Feel that the rampage that showed up vs Jones/Bader/Glover is more than enough to win this fight, and make -350 profitable. However if he has just given up and is just going to fight because belator says they will pay him I'm doubtful.
Dunham back to +102 now, really think he's a fav over Cerrone, I thought his issues were an aberration but his pathetic performance against RDA (who Dunham arguably beat) has convinced me Cerrone will lose to any top 20 guy and I think Dunham fits the bill of someone who can beat him
Dunham IMO beat RDA, and he has the better overall technical striking skills IMO, especially defensively. It wouldn't surprise me if he took Cerrone down at some point as well.
Feel like Koscheck is slipping and Tyrone is still yet to prove himself in the big league and so has motivation to train?
Yes but Kos is the better fighter, remember Woodley got knocked out by Nate not that long ago who is also slipping and also lost a dec to Shields (granted a respectable loss, I was on Shields as a dog for that no idea why Shields was a dog)
I'm not sure i'm ready to write Kos off after a weird looking Lawler fight where he was winning then got KO'd randomly - if it happens again he's probably done but we won't know until after the fight. Remember, he did take Hendricks to a close split decision the fight before that and other than the GSP loss was on a decent winning streak before that (Daley, Johnson, Pierce, Hughes if you take out the GSP fight)
kos has looked good in all his fights imo. he also beat johnny hendricks but ufc wanted hendricks to get a title shot so they made him win the decision
Dunham back to +102 now, really think he's a fav over Cerrone, I thought his issues were an aberration but his pathetic performance against RDA (who Dunham arguably beat) has convinced me Cerrone will lose to any top 20 guy and I think Dunham fits the bill of someone who can beat him
Why does everyone use the this guy beat this guy while this guy lost to this guy so there for this guy will beat this guy. If this math was the case no one would ever win a fight at LHW. In this case, both guys lost to a common opponent, but one "looked" better? How about the fact that Dos Anjos is a good grappler while it is probably Cerrone's weakness while it is Dunham's strength so of course he gave Dos Anjos a better fight. Now that being said, Dunham's grappling isn't at Dos Anjos level and Dunham has fallen in love with his stand up and allows others to dictate where the fight is taking place in his last few fights.
Now I hate to be a Dunham hater here, because I like both him and Cerrone, but I just can't go with the logic that has been used by multiple people ITT.
Considering a decent bet on GSP assuming he looks good at weigh-ins and is still available for -230ish or whatever but I feel like the casual fan money may have poured in on him by then
Will def go bigger if I can get -200, honestly Hendricks has a round or two to land a big punch that puts GSP out or he's going to be on his back or getting jabbed to death and by round 3-4 he'll be out of gas after 10-15 mins of GSP smothering him
Why does everyone use the this guy beat this guy while this guy lost to this guy so there for this guy will beat this guy. If this math was the case no one would ever win a fight at LHW. In this case, both guys lost to a common opponent, but one "looked" better? How about the fact that Dos Anjos is a good grappler while it is probably Cerrone's weakness while it is Dunham's strength so of course he gave Dos Anjos a better fight. Now that being said, Dunham's grappling isn't at Dos Anjos level and Dunham has fallen in love with his stand up and allows others to dictate where the fight is taking place in his last few fights.
Now I hate to be a Dunham hater here, because I like both him and Cerrone, but I just can't go with the logic that has been used by multiple people ITT.
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Dunham had one really great year in 2010 and has been very mediocre since. Cerrone has only lost to really tough competition lately and I can't put Dunham in that category.
Considering a decent bet on GSP assuming he looks good at weigh-ins and is still available for -230ish or whatever but I feel like the casual fan money may have poured in on him by then
Will def go bigger if I can get -200, honestly Hendricks has a round or two to land a big punch that puts GSP out or he's going to be on his back or getting jabbed to death and by round 3-4 he'll be out of gas after 10-15 mins of GSP smothering him
didnt nick diaz rock him in the third with little punches? also condit? gsp is going to get rocked its just a matter of how hard
Now I hate to be a Dunham hater here, because I like both him and Cerrone, but I just can't go with the logic that has been used by multiple people ITT.
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Cerrone looked lost on the feet against RDA, got rocked badly by Guillard and got destroyed standing by Nate and obviously got demolished by Pettis. I'm pretty sure Dunham has the edge standing and Cerrone doesn't fight smart when he's pressured, if they stay at range and fight at Cerrone's pace he'll have an edge but I don't think Dunham will stand still and be a target
Over the past year i've gone from the "Cerrone is going to get a title shot soon' camp to "Cerrone is washed up and has no fight IQ' camp, it's definitely one of the fights i'm looking forward to most this weekend
Would have loved to hit that opener. Woodley inside +275 may have some value.
